>> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: If everybody wants to find a seat we will get started in a few seconds. Alright good morning we will call the April 7 2026 Volusia County Council meeting to order at 9:02 AM we will start in just a minute. I will ask you to stand if you care to stand for the invocation and then the Pledge of Allegiance. This morning we will have pastor Tommy Clayton of Gracelife Church in Deltona and at the high school. We are glad to have pastor Clayton here this morning. If you are a member of the faith group who would like to participate in the invocations please just send an email to KGreen @volusia.org she will get you set up. This morning we are happy to have pastor Clayton. >> PASTOR TOMMY CLAYTON: Good morning let us pray. Father in heaven, thank you for this day. Thank you for the gift of the governing body, thank you for the men and women who serve on this Volusia County Council. I pray that you would give them as you did Solomon when he prayed and pleased with his air Lord give them a wise listening and discerning hearts as they hear all of the complex cases that are brought before him in a public hearing like they are listening to today. And I pray Lord as they make decisions that will affect many lives for many years to come as they set policies in place as a direct funding is to represent the many interest of Volusia County citizens I pray they would respond first I pray they would listen with humility and with patience they would respond with wisdom and with clarity, and unity and I pray that you would bless them you would keep them that you would protect them that you would make your face to shine upon them and give them grace Lord and peace we pray all these things in the mighty name of Jesus Christ amen. "I Pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.".[Unclear Audio]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Oh my goodness. Karissa will you call the roll. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Here >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Here. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Here. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: Here. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Here. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Here. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Here. We have a quorum with a full dais we will start meeting and hearing from the public on a cold your name come up to the podium there is a microphone close to your mouth so everybody can hear you all the people on line the podium there is a button on the left-hand side to raise it up and down you'll see a timer on the screen in front of you over my head as well. You will have three minutes to talk about any subject that pertains to Volusia County for the Council may be able to act on in the future. Please hold it to three minutes we have a lot of people who would like to speak. In one hour and they have to do it you have another opportunity if you signed up to speak on an Item then also at the end of the meeting. First I know nobody wants to go first. The first today is Mary Dickinson. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning. I'm Mary Dickinson. I live at 2005 Marsh Rd. I'm here to speak about Marsh Road. I would appreciate it if it took more than three minutes. So I don't have to file a constitutional violation against this commission. Because that fine is only $250,000. So, we will start off this letter, which was put in my mailbox the day after the last commission meeting. Dear Mary, your problem with the dump trucks lies with Don Dempsey who is having hundreds of dump truck loads of dirt delivered to his property. She gave the address. She gave me directions on how to get there. Okay, you will see the big loads of dirt he has been delivered there and made into a huge motocross track for his kids and friends that covers almost 100 acres. Tell George Recktenwald to look into this. I was flabbergasted. But it came full circle. About what was going on with all dump trucks hanging down Marsh Road and destroying the road, our properties putting cracks in our homes. You cannot sleep at 3 o'clock in the morning Eddie V is going down the road. And our beds are just vibrating in our homes. We've had ground movement. My driveway is cracked. It is separating, the sidewalks they do belong to us because Volusia County did not take and install them. But now I am going to fence my prescriptive easement which goes to the edge of Marsh Road. That happens to be because I have maintained it for over 20 years and my neighbors. I am maintaining the whole block from Pine-Palmetto. I will be fencing in the sidewalk because I'm not going to be sued because this commission has not done their job because the sidewalks are also cracking up. The weight limit Marsh Road is 10,500 pounds you have been told over and over, Mr. Recktenwald needs to understand if there is a difference between a connector road and a sub standard road by state cinders, state trump the county. I will be closing that up because I will not have somebody come down there and fall on that sidewalk. My driveway is cracking. There is a void under there because of the good old city water line. That was put in illegally on my property. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Let's do this Don I have her phone number will you contact her later on or have you contacted her? >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Yes. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Staff will follow-up as well. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: We need to dump the dump trucks because they are over 10,500 pounds. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay thank you for coming in. Adam Dorey? >> PUBLIC COMMENT: >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: That's childish handwriting. I have grown up stuff to talk about thank you council for hearing me. I reside at 270 W. Country Cir. Drive a quiet place in the country, this is my second Council Meeting. I am very excited here to talk about Volusia Forever. I know it is kind of on the docket not in the context I'm talking about which is why this is speaking upfront. It is my time to shine I guess. The simplest thing I have to reiterate on Volusia Forever is what is confusing me a little bit as to where something that was passed with 70% of the vote is being eroded a little bit I was at the last meeting I watched Councilman Dempsey really good attorney well spoken smart and handsome that is the lawyer trifecta there. Put his foot in the door and keep something open that really does not make sense why it is even up for discussion. I get to a certain extent white we want to talk talking about talking. It gets to be a little long in the tooth when we just kicked the can down the road for I have a lot of.[Listing Names] as a column the big thing that struck me as strange was who wanted to use it later. What if we needed to run through the aquifer? What if we run through everything God help me if we are too dumb to say what we have and we open up what was protected to burn through that. If we are not shown any responsibility or any wherewithal to say we do have future generations what gives us the right to just squander what little we have. Again I sent it last time I went to South Florida. It was terrible. Fort Lauderdale is in this state Miami used to be gorgeous. It is tragic! There is no other real word for it. Why would we allow that to happen here for something we have something in place that is forever. I burn through my time pretty quickly. I will jump to it. To pave over the watershed or to do it for anything other than it being a natural resource is insane to me if we pave over it and to stress the aquifer even more like training from what we just paved over again it does not connect the dots. Time frame, you mentioned 40-50 years for Volusia Forever although I believe forever is in perpetuity. 40 years allows developers to plan for the kids, not saving the county for the residence that is allowing attorneys and developers to mutilate the system. I would politely say in the honor of this great country it's America 250. We worked pretty well for 250 years. If you want a timeframe on Volusia Forever I would say make it 250 years minimum then go from there. That appeases everybody and things change in a decade when century and century tomb for five centuries which have something to give us base to stand on and go from there thank you council very much. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you very much Dustin Sandusky. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning cancel my name is Dustin Sandusky 11 Deland Highlands of Marsh Road I'm here again because of the situation on Marsh Road and old Daytona vote is not improving our residential neighborhood is used by dump trucks and commercial vehicles as they cut through during late evening and early morning hours. When the resident should be able to sleep in peace. It is not just the traffic issue, this is a safety issue. The quality of life issue and an accountability issue. Residents continue to observe heavy truck activity connected to the properties operations that should have been received for more scrutiny by now. One of the clearest examples of the property 2830 [Listing Names] with Eddie V trucking from a resident perspective this is unclear? If he is staging and storing dump trucks in the rear there were already complaints in 2003 fire related wetland modification on said property yet the visible chocolate activity continues. The timing also raises legitimate questions based on the property records I reviewed. The property appears to have been acquired on January 28 2025 after the county had moved the truck working ordinance and sent it back for revision before the ordinance was finally adopted. I'm not claiming a motive in saying the residents have a right to ask whether the county policy change helped enable this truck related activity. That we are now seeing. At the same time companies such as Allen plumbing Allen tractor service and other large commercial operators continue to use Marsh Road and old Daytona for direct route to the neighbor and this is not one isolated concern is a broader pattern of heavy commercial patterns the roads not designed for what makes it more frustrating is the county's response or lack of one president sent emails asked questions asked repeatedly to get straightforward answers from engineers managers and staff very too often the response is silent delay or no meaningful answer. Most people were forced to shoot the public records request. Residents should not have to invoke chapter 119 just to get basic transparency about what is happening in their own neighborhood. It is not just by email two weeks ago I came in with Mary Dickinson to ask questions in person. The response we received was extensive and unhelpful. We were treated like asking these questions in committees of residents seeking accountability from governments. This truck staging stored ineffectively is unlawful when it interferes.[Unclear Audio] it is not lawful in the county. That should explain what appears to continue with no visible enforcement. Residents also committing Marsh Road safety. The site is already up and it's being improved. More information will be posted there unmasking the council for clear answers, consistent enforcement and real action to stop Marsh Road and old Daytona forgetting to function like a trucking court or residential neighborhood. Thank you for your time. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you Jan Albert. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning governing body. Jan Albert Street East Port Orange. Hydrologist for 54 years I want to speak about the proposed Creek Crossing development requires it to thousand foot long bridge to go through the quiet place no mention a few details nobody seems to be bringing up the 60 foot planted right-of-way is consistent 20 feet of pavement, 20 feet of equestrian and hiking easements and 20 feet of drainage. Private companies cannot vacate those they run the land. Only you the Council can do that because in order to even the planners cannot, use waivers to change the comprehensive land-use which is the Tulmose Farms village local plan. If you are going to do that you'll have to justify changing a multi-decade plan for 111 we are prepared to litigate that but more importantly as the fact you will have two takedown thousands of old growth trees right at the main wetlands and meander point and you will have a flooding issue that you cannot keep on that site of about a couple hundred million gallons every 4 inch some distant 21 or whatever we had eight of those last year that is what we average every year. He will flood everything because of all the debris still stuck there from 415, back to Rose Bay and take out most of the county infrastructure. Then you ask 111 property owners to fund either in the HOA or even a CDD a multi-million-dollar bridge to maintain in perpetuity. That is absurd. In the.[Listing Names] of working together with the legal team to mount an outstanding Florida water body suit to save Spruce Creek because while the sentence once more houses he did not mean to destroy a natural resource that is also going to flood a Corridor of this County and take out all of the infrastructure with it. Everyone in Volusia pay for these decisions. Thank you. [Applause]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for your comments.[Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning cancel.[Listing Names] [Listing Names] last piece of virgin historic land between Spruce Creek line in a quiet place in the country is about to be developed under something called a conservation subdivision. The Creek Crossing subdivision is a proposed hundred 25 acre property to be developed into 111 single residential lots conservation subdivision. There will be internal only stormwater facilities including water wastewater reclaimed water for irrigation and many additional amenities to be constructed. The proposal goes before the DRC on the 20th if approved it will be appealed to come before this body for discussion. Finally after eight or nine months of our discussions of this. Aside from 2000 foot country DOT approved version will be necessary Crossing over the Creek which will be it's only point of ingress and egress it will be clocked in a quiet place on Creek Crossing Road. A small cul-de-sac that has 20 vehicles per day during construction we can probably accelerate that to 1000 vehicles per day. Averaging out to three -408 as.[Listing Names] tennis courts pools clubhouses UPS Amazon deliveries US males trash pickup etc. Thousands of historical and other species trees will be cut down as lots are bulldozed to fill the slab on grade construction shedding stormwater flare into Spruce Creek which is currently undergoing 1/2 million dollars study which is not even back in . I don't know why anybody would entertain this subdivision as it is right on Spruce Creek. This is what the developer is asking for. Maximum buildable lot waiver. Public street right-of-way with waiver. Public street and private bridge waiver. Three waiver wetland impact waiver. Historic ants some entry ever. There's been so much pushback on this development Volusia County has put a separate website together for citizens to view all of these documents. In the history of the progress of this development. Who contains the bridge? They want to do a community development District like reading Creek which is Disney the villages, locally we have one detail and indigo. Who will foot the bill for that bridge if it needs repair. If the CDD is still in existence they may if they have the money if not will they charge the homeowners $181,000 at these which is what it will cost or it will fall back on the taxpayers? I don't think any of us want to accept that burden. Staff seems poised to approve this conservation subdivision. Regardless of all these waivers and the damage that will be done to Spruce Creek even more therefore the studies done please when this comes before you need to study the process the problem and vote against it to protect Spruce Creek the wetlands our historic Oaks and the land once it's gone it's gone forever thank you stop crossing. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Gary Singleton and you will be followed by.[Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: My name is Gary Singleton and I am a Volusia County citizen. You govern with people's consent, your purpose for existing is to share our rights and protect us from harm. Noise ordinance regulations and rules requirements are the guardrails to protect their homes, our properties and our communities and those who would seek to do us harm. The Creek Crossing conservation subdivision is a concept. A concept that building to create haunted surrounding companies by way of destroying an irrepressible component of the natural governmental stormwater system. The plan is to destroy thousands of old growth Oaks and essential wetlands for our Volusia County citizens to be protected from harm when staff only checks boxes, rents waivers and interprets the comprehensive plan to be developers advantage. It is the duty of this Council and their staff to honor those protection guardrails and make all interpretations in alignment of that for Volusia County citizens. This County will only become involved if the developers have their project approved those schools adversely affected will be forced to appeal. This Council will then be able to deny the appeal with clean hands. Safely hiding PN staff-report interpretations and decisions based on a concept not reality. But this Council's hands are not clean . in 2022 to change the comprehensive plan from one unit per 10 acres, up to four units per acre of 40 V increase on a rural property filled with old growth Oaks and wetlands on the banks of Spruce Creek. A Creek that is the natural storm water system or HealthEast Volusia County. Tens of thousands of individuals depend on this creek to move stormwater away from their homes. Developers don't want to build on a cow pasture in which he destroyed an essential component of a natural storm water system. The natural system that cannot be replaced with retention ponds. Duties to protect our community to honor our local plan to enforce the letter and spirit of the laws ordinances rules and regulations that are designed for our protections not assist in individual developer Corporation by removing the obstacles blocking their objective which to exploit an opportunity in an illegal and wholly immoral way for profit an additional thought last night to inch rain prompted a flood warning in my area a routine Florida rain you cannot use the 12 inch rain fall and King ties as an excuse to ignore developments impact on the flooding issue. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you.[Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning my Ms. [Listing Names] I live in the Northcrest Deland retirement community and here to discuss the impact that the proposed truck was to be located near the high for state Route 44 interchange on the E. New York Ave. service Road will have on the neighboring area. You'll hear others discuss the general impact that the Plaza will have on traffic congestion in the area but I would like to focus on increased traffic impact on emergency services. The proposed truck Plaza will be located immediately to the east of crest wind Deland because the road will be on its narrow to gain dead end road will be only one way in and one way out. It is logical to expect that these New York Ave. Service Road would see an extraordinary increase in traffic from both semi trucks and automobiles. At this time I don't know how many vehicles will use this clause on a daily or weekly basis however based on glimmering estimates provided by the Plaza developer it could be as many as hundreds per day. Every vehicle enters and exits the truck Plaza will need to pass directly in front of the crest wind Deland entrance during times of heavy traffic it is possible that access to the entrance could be restricted or even blocked this would put the already vulnerable senior presidents to live in crest wind Deland and decreased risk if an emergency portable corporate in a conversation I had with chief Todd Allen of the Deland fire department indicated that the department would not be able to assess the impact this additional traffic would have on emergency response times until a formal traffic study was completed. Unfortunately the developer is not currently required to complete a traffic impact analysis until the official development plan and final site review which will occur after the PLDRC vote on the special exception request. To ensure that any decision that is made is fact-based it is imperative that he comprehensive traffic impact analysis should be completed prior to the PLDRC vote this analysis should separately estimate incremental semi truck traffic and incremental automobile traffic and comparable to actual current levels comparison to an arbitrary hypothetical other use is meaningless at this time. If you have authority to do so I respectfully request that you influence PLDRC to require a comprehensive traffic impact analysis prior to your upcoming vote on the applicant's special exception request. Thank you for your consideration. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for your comments. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning my name is.[Listing Names] I also live in crest wind Deland which is located within the SR or State Road 44 residential four-door. I welcome the opportunity to speak with each of you this morning. During a recent two-week period were for major traffic incidents that impacted myself and SR 44 required police intervention. There was a rear end collision at summer Road and SR 44 the chairman and a turning lane unfortunately there was a head-on collision on Kepler Rd., North of the new traffic roundabouts attractively took the life of a mother with two young children. There was a four vehicle traffic accident on SR 44 near.[Listing Names] Road that shut down the entire area for over four hours traffic had to be rerouted through Lakewood and those trying to access I for had to be rerouted through Lake Helen back to exit 116 I myself on my way to a Volusia County Council meeting was impacted by a Cisco truck that stalled on the intersection of Blue Lake Rd. and SR 44 backing up traffic for hours and shutting down one lane. Unfortunately these are not isolated incidents. This is a pattern. They demonstrate that this traffic is fragile, already functioning at a critical level identified by Jewel traffic engineers in a 2022 report. Since then, thousands of new vehicles have entered this fragile corridor impacting traffic congestion and safety. As we all know an applicant officially submitted an application to develop a truck plaza in this fragile corridor. Today is not about the merits of that development that will come in the future today is about the process. Much like putting the cart before the horse, the county process does not require a traffic impact analysis, forcing the staff to submit a report to the PLDRC. The methodology that they submitted may not reflect international traffic engineer characteristics separating truck and passenger car characteristics and behavior. Heavy trucks behave differently from passenger cars, slower acceleration over stopping distances and wider returns. When they merge they cause sudden breaking and destabilize traffic flow. This is particularly important if you look at exit 118 W. where SR 44 traffic of bicycle path and the I4 offramp all converge in an elevated semi blind traffic merge. County staff in other departments have constantly asked for conferences of traffic impact analysis with real traffic counts, crash behavior intersection operations, merged behavior and separate modeling for traffic and heavy trucks. My request is that the county require a completely transparent ITE compliant TIA to separate truck and car behavior before the state before the staff makes a recommendation to the PLDRC. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for your comments. Deborah Dudley.[Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning everyone my name is Deborah Dudley I also reside at Crestwind DeLand. I'm here to respectfully request that traffic impact analysis be completed before the PLDRC decides whether to grant special exemption or develop a truck Plaza 54 and State Road 44 interchange. Regarding the traffic, consider the following housing developments under construction within a 2 mile radius of the interchange. We have Crestwind DeLand with 599 homes. Lakewood Park 361 homes. Trim the gardens 309 homes. In the reserve at Victoria, 406 homes. These elements will add at least four thousand more vehicles on the road every day within the next five years. Additionally plans to extend East Perrysburg Road to Summit Road will allow for more residential development including the park Lake Estates planned development. The extension at least Beresford was initially planned to alleviate traffic on E. New York Rd. However new developments along the road are unlikely to produce the problems East New York Rd. is expanding. Furthermore the new Publix shopping center at Kepler and New York also added more traffic. Given these factors, how can Volusia County permit a truck stop with only a tool clean service Road as ingress and egress without conducting a comprehensive traffic impact analysis? How can one make an informed decision about such a significant project without all the necessary information up front. Thank you for your time. [Applause]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning cancel.[Listing Names] president of local 3574 represent the firefighters in the county here today little upset we had the opening of the groundbreaking station 15 the other day coming here and giving me the opportunity to speak been a thorn in your side at times to maybe push along ever seen in firefighters really resonated with them the work you guys are doing. Today I just want to say I appreciate you although the government moves a little slowly. Thank you for listening to me, thank you for letting me be a thorn in your side and I'm really happy for the future of fire rescue. I didn't plan to speak but have the privilege of serving at the Kepler Marsh Road area. I promise you the county has given me the equipment to get to you. We will be there for you to call 911. I'm a little nervous today. I just want to say thank you. [Applause]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Nancy Miller. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Nancy Miller Daytona Beach Shores chair Vice Chair and consolidate take this opportunity to pass on my sincere thanks and appreciation for approving the budget that included funding the citizens Academy. George Susanna, what to tell you what a phenomenal job your directors or department head and your staff did explaining how their department works, their functions and how it fits into the overall operations of Volusia County. I'd like to give my special thanks to the HR department headed up by Dana page Pender and her team for the wonderful sessions. We had great classes, we had wonderful participation, they were engaged and the asked quality questions. The Academy offered insights into each county department, it fostered civic engagement transparency and pride in our county. There was a great experience available to each of the county residents that want to learn more about how our county is structured, how budgets are developed and actions performed. What a wonderful opportunity this was for me to learn and build on my service to my community and my continued service to Volusia County. This was a 12 week commitment of 15 sessions but it was so worth the time invested. Our final session will be on site this Thursday evening at beach safety headquarters in Daytona Beach. Some of our sessions have included accounting, animal safety, beach safety, and we had a visit from our County Attorney. We had Daytona Beach international Airport, economic development. Fire and rescue. Human resources, Medical Examiner, ocean center, purchasing and I can go on and on and on there was actually very different sessions that we had the privilege of attending trade I just want to say I highly recommend this Academy to any citizens who wish to learn depth more about our county, thank you so much for thinking of me and every one of our residents making sure that we know what is going on in our county. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. Paul homes you will be followed by Susan Holmes. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Hope you don't mind if we come up here together I am Paul homes Susie follows me. First of all it's great to be here and talk in front of you guys. Especially Danny Robins you present our district and of course Jeff, thank you. I'm here on behalf of the Spruce Creek property owners Association I am the president of that organization . we are 1600 homes and hangers inside the gates of Spruce Creek. We are deeply affected by the cross Creek development and be one to just make sure that you understand what is going on. I have a list of four Items that I will give to you guys later this afternoon in an email (it is just a redline request that we have made to the developers Luxor corporation which is down in Orlando, we have good ongoing communications going with them I fed them over and giving them a tour they seem and amenable to our request for an we've come a long way in getting some Items that we need at Spruce Creek. It is typically section of the water playwrights due to hurricane and has low circumstances and of course we are the largest aviation community in the world. We are actual among the aviation. Should say the community. We have 32,000, flights every year over that area and it brings a great impact to a financial impact to our communities. Here are my requests. Number one, a navigation agreement in the deed on the homes being built and in aviation disclosure on all sales current they have already agreed to that we have not done it to our lawyers. We hired the best law firm.[Listing Names] from Jacksonville we are very well funded. Number two, Trinity swales and replaces two corresponding large culverts in the school districts. Number three, move the entry road south my wife will be referring to this, move the Entry Rd., South as to not destroy a two point five one 5 acre wetland as part of the Spruce Creek tributary. Spruce Creek is an outstanding Florida waters it is inside a conservation development. This is a conservation development we must all remember. They have to protect what is there. The fourth mystery bridge, what are the bridge plans? Where is the design picture? How high is it? How low is it? How long is it? Somehow this information is also missing after two of your staff's technical view committee meetings. We have no idea. Who is paying for this in the future? What are the standards going to be? How much will it cost anyway this project should not go to the Development Review committee before these Items are disclosed. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Thank you Susie homes I'm also in district 3 with him. In Spruce Creek fly in and want to speak specifically about the cross Creek the Creek Crossing waivers the wetland waiver is the one that I want to talk about I think this should actually be projected immediately. They are referring to a law that if there or if it is the only way to access your property you can go through her wetland plan that is the basis of the waiver, however, the bridge is here. They have it coming through here this is as is. It goes through here and destroys this wetland. And, in their waiver they mention that they will add homes in here over the wetlands, because they have, they are saying because they have to split it up the monies will ruin the entire wetlands. The first call it average in the beginning of their waiver request then at the end they call it low quality. They are changing their own language in their waiver. If they were to just move this road this way it would completely … They have access this way they would not have to go through the wetlands in their waiver they don't mention that besides adding all of these homes, they culvert the wetlands are also putting a Pickleball court in the don't even mention that in their waiver. This Pickleball court is ridiculous to put a Pickleball court over wetlands. I see the problem going forward if this is allowed to happen and the wetlands go away, and the headline will be that Volusia approved a conservation development that destroyed wetlands to place Pickleball Ct., Stanford makes absolutely no sense. That they would be allowed to add all of these homes in a Pickleball court over wetlands when they have access to their property by just turning this way. I really request that you get on with the staff and discuss that this waiver should not go forward at all because they haven't the ability to move at the road over and not affect this wetland. Thank you very much. I hope that you consider that. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Includes both can guarantee you the news will hear about that Pickleball court. Okay JC Michaels. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Pardon me, no what does GC stand for? Your burning time. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: [Unclear Audio]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: There is no address. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: That is not mine 413 N. Country Ave. Two things, one, core values. Somebody came up and thanked the citizens Academy. Is that a core value to be determined? If cultural arts is not a core value what else is not a core value? Library? Airport? Buses? . Motion sensor? What is a core value? None of those things if you go back to the founding of the US, none of those existed. What is a core value? Jeff mentioned it for a few seconds at the beginning of one of your workshops, nobody responded, it was just shaking of the head like we agree. It was never defined. I would ask you guys please so the rest of us know what you are going and where you're going please determine what our core values and what you are going to cut or possibly cut the lead brings to not if they have to go out searching for a job. We need to know if we will sell the airport. Those things are important. Please establish core values. Secondly, I don't know if you guys heard about the city commission meeting last week, it was a circus. Poor Troy Kent would have not spring 3.5 hours discussing a 10 minute report. We had an auditor come up to give a report on the fire department. It took 3.5 hours for a 10 minute report for its earth shattering things to come up, to the point where one of our commissioners wanted to fire our city and interpret one, was 15 smart televisions. Yes, they upgraded the department IT and with that all the upgrades required a smart television. We bought it. That is what they are upset about. Secondly the fire department spent $50,000 over five years on food. That comes out to about $0.50 per meal. Four firemen. They are as big as Commissioner Reinhart is set in front of me at the meeting; they cannot live on $0.50 per meal. What turned out to be not their meals in a way to pay for their meals. Money was for the community events. The books they bought more for community books. Not their own. Then lastly, we have 900 vehicles, four of which did not have tags one of which did not have a decal. She wanted to fire the city manager. I want the public to know him. It is not a big deal, thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. The ever shrinking vice chair that Rienhart. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Unknown this is a bit redundant but we've gone through Volusia Forever for the last five months of it being picked apart. I will be a little bit redundant today. I'm here to ask for your support in placing a charter amendment on the ballot that fully protects Volusia voters approved in 2020 when they renewed the Volusia Forever program with 75.6% of the vote. Alachua County drafted a strong technically wanting charter amendment designed to protect the land placed in preservation through the airport or supported Alachua forever program Volusia can do exactly what Alachua did legally safely and without conflict our proposal follows a model stood unchallenged for nearly 2 decades and is in full compliance with state and federal law. As referenced in section C of the amendment key element in Alachua minute appears to be in section B restates imparting protective public places that may not be sold or converted to use will result in a loss of value of values for which the property was placed on the registry. Except by a majority vote of the electors voting in a countywide referendum election. This amendment applies only to lands placed in preservation on the registry were all land purchases for conservation should be. All other county owned lands such as those used for public works are the purposes that could be sold with a simple majority vote of the Council. While prospective work done by a turtle review commission amendment proposed replacement on the ballot, fall short leaves the door open for the sale of conservation lands with a vague term public purpose. That phrase is broad and easily manipulated. Weakening the reductions, voters believed they were voting. Or more funding for example one member suggested that if we need a fire station? You should not be selling off conservation land for such purposes. Does need to be anticipated and funded through the development that created the demand for additional infrastructure like a fire station regrettably we must protect Volusia Forever transmission plant program from the political whims of those who wish to repeal and undermine it for the time when a city councilmember continues to challenge and undermine Volusia Forever's need for stronger reductions and never been clear. Alachua County style charter amendment would ensure the conservation plan cannot be sold without direct approval of the voters if lands belong to the people who paid for them and Volusia County preserve the final say in protecting them. I respectfully ask you look past the Sarasota red herrings those two amendments were returned they were not in compliance with Florida state law and not an apples to apples comparison group with the Alachua minute and said give the resident of Volusia County's income since production that Alachua footers enjoy you for your intuition and the opportunity to speak. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you that concluding the opening public comment we will move to Item number one approval of the agenda can I get a motion to approve the agenda. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I make a motion to approve. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed? The agenda is approved as presented. We moved to Item number two the Consent Agenda does anybody have an Item that they would like to comment on. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I would like to comment on P not for vote just for comment. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I make a motion to approve the Consent Agenda. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Before we vote on it we have a number of people from the public would like to comment on various Items Jeremy.[Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning yet and is D. If you can bring that up. This was created by AI. My name is.[Listing Names] is not local 3574 any time we can enhance the safety and accountability I'm all for it the firefighters are for it we live by it we typically where every gear do as we should. I do want to ask that we take a closer look at this item. Actually see what's being proposed here. The agenda and preference is Telematics. I just want to call it what it is. I think the smack is here. These are video cameras audio recordings inside the vehicle. This distinction matters especially when it involves employees times and most importantly to me is patient care. We live by HIPPA and protect health information. There really has not been any clear guidance or documentation on this. I'm sure he can make me feel more comfortable about this. The document highlights little things like tracking speed and location. Vehicle activity but the reality is there are cameras recording its sophisticated AI. Again I'm more safe if it enhances it. I would ask what we do to research this? Why are we using vehicles? I'm also concerned with the duplication of what we do. Our fire engines currently track our speed, GPS tells me from speeding or not. We pay a lot for these things to be installed in our vehicle. I have a little concern with the duplication of the cost. It costs $180,000 per year or more for the documents. Safety is always worth this kind of investment. I think it is reasonable for the council to ask the measurable and if it would be. For me, my concern is who has access to these recordings? How long is the data stored? How it is used in disciplinary things and most importantly how the protected health information is distributed? If it goes to some server in Idaho and somebody requests that video, obviously if there is a video on the scene of a call for a patient base there is in there the date and time and everything in this person in Idaho has this video they are now becoming part of that protected health information. I'm not here to oppose this all I'm just asking that we slow down, look at it, get it right, AI is in the future, cameras are in the future, we see it all the time. I believe a majority of the Sheriff's Department does not have them from what I was told by their union president. I think a few of their traffic units do. Obviously they have body cameras as well. At the end of the day if we move in this direction I think we should apply these cameras thoroughly consistently. I'd be interested to help with policy and procedure. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: For girl you also are for Item G. Davidson to go would you like to did you have a question. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I do then for the staff Mr. Chair would you like me to do it now. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Unless you want to hear what he wants to say about Item energy. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I think we should deal with this one. In your comments you believe that some of the things are duplicative of what the current systems that we have in our vehicles do. You spark my interest in you for coming up to speak. More so what to clarify just what you said. Also from a staff perspective Mr. Chair into my colleagues if the staff can give us as to the reason why do we need this project I don't think you said it away I may be interpreted back long way help me understand why the taxpayers should pay $108,000 annually for this and how will it make life better for Volusia County. >>.[Listing Names] this Item is for telematics profundity vehicles who currently have GPS on county vehicles for many many years renewing a contract for that. Typically we have 500 vehicles that have telematics on it and 150 our generators are connected through telematics we can check the status of those levels and that software we do the fire department did it several years ago and six cameras to the battalion vehicles they are already facing like a – camera those of the only cameras that are part of disparate we are exploring some other technologies as possibilities but that is not part of this as we are renewing a contract of the existing fleet. Fire engines do not have.[Listing Names] does they have telematics on them. We are not duplicating or putting telematics on top of vehicles that have telematics amenities or automobiles and that type of thing that have this kind of technology. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: What's the benefit advisors this good for Volusia. >> STAFF: Fleet Management my staff use of them daily to rock our drivers make sure they are going to calls find out who the closest response if we have a breakdown we can pull up the service trucks and get out the quickest post about things the divisions they use it to make sure they optimize the routes. There is technology in there. If you have 10 routes and spots you can load it will tell you what's the most efficient order to go and take those to make that route sometimes you may not realize you are zigzagging . It puts that in a most effective route. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Give me an example of what you mean fire brought what service. >> STAFF: We use them for fuel and if I have a list of 10 generators I give that to the fuel got you put them in the order you need to go here and here and here it basically makes an efficient circle sometimes when you are beachside to be you get you nowhere things are you not know the most efficient route it puts it in the most efficient route drives least amount of miles-least amount of fuel. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: Member the equipment that he is feeling moves he all the Public Works guys who used to clean dishes they don't always drive back he goes to them and he feels them with the also hundred 50 generators you mentioned the fact with telematics we can now see what their fuel levels will levels and check like that from the desk rather than driving around and going to each one of those that saves money some of the questions you've heard in other cities and things going on about where people are what they are doing we know where people are and what they're doing if we don't we can certainly find out. Again as he said this is something we've been doing for many years this is just really renewing a contract I think the difference with the fire department was there were six extra cameras for the battalion chiefs. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Can you, I'm still thankful that George did help me. I'm still kinda confused about the fire department connection. What are we doing with this in the fire department? >> STAFF: We are not doing anything. I didn't get a chance to talk to Jeremy. I didn't know his concerns about these cameras that he mentions of the battalion vehicles for three, four, five years. I have to go back and look and see when we put those in this is not anything new this is continuing what we currently have. I'm not really sure we are always adding GPS to vehicles. I add more to my pool vehicles. We have more visibility where people use pool vehicles and that type of thing. It is kind of an evolution. There's no big push to load up a bunch of cameras on fire service vehicles. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Thank you and thank you for your addition George was questioning from the perspective we are talking about the money spent and do we need it? It sounds like there's a savings in performance. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: Hi we use it very well over the years to hone in and be more efficient that is the purpose. The other thing we let everybody know they are there. We are not and I got you no new technology is there. Again it is mainly used to become efficient. Sometimes it is used to defend us quite often we get accused of being places where we can tell you exactly where we were and when we were there. So this technology is pretty exact. He can also get a lot of good vehicle and engine information if he needs it and these big pieces of equipment that we own that is very important that he has that information. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Thank you, that was very helpful to me. I saw that the sheriff arrived at our meeting. I don't know if he is serving a warrant or not. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: Yes sir my question to Robert and the chief and Aaron and anybody else associated, is this the first you said you did not talk to.[Listing Names] about this before correct. >> STAFF: I didn't think this was going to be controversial. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: My concern from a process perspective is that I don't want the staff operating in silos George. There should be open lines of communication both ways. It sounds like these questions could've been answered by the staff. >> STAFF: Was brought to my attention by Jeremy a couple days ago I told him this had nothing directly to do with the fire service nothing has changed on our part if the County thing there is no movement from this we would have to make a decision to move towards this ourselves this is just on the fleet aside. The only vehicles like we said that we currently have are the battalion vehicles when the decision was made prior to me coming here. The only changes that will come are we can talk about it. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: If you can work to make sure that these questions get answered at the staff level so we have to assume our staff is doing all the right work and leaving policy to us and it sounds like what Germany is asking or talking about or concerned about this policy change. If there is no policy associated with the contract we should work hard to make sure our numbers are comfortable with what we're doing so we don't have to take the time to clarify the situation here. I love to have that conversation with you. Your public comment we don't normally indicate with the public during public comment. I will let that go, thank you. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: David to answer yours I had the same questions. Particularly interested in the safety of it. We often get referred to an agency. I don't know why. At the jail we are taking transport we were somewhere else we were not whether we had that technology back then I don't know they did a great job at selling as they did. Also, corrections if they are going are some of them I applaud . You're not used to talking like the Sheriff's office is defending our streets. We are not used to the fact that our atmosphere is in a confined area. When we have to take inmates to Orlando or MC or to the receiving medical Center to take in 20 -30 inmates at a time if we break down you know where they are. It is right here to ensure that if in fact we are going to do it , we should look into that. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: I will not need to speak until I heard Mr. Johansson and it compelled me not that George needs me to do this she has very broad shoulders and he can handle himself very well, but from what I've heard this morning sounds like the staff did everything right. You had no idea there was a concern from the union president. You and doubt about a concerned chief you let the union president know there was nothing new, happening that is on the union president who decided to come in here which you can do or anybody can do, and share concerns about something sounds like there's not a concern about. I just want to say thank you for doing what you are supposed to do. Almost the union president's clinic must ensure new information that we have not heard is the Chair because the three minutes have been utilized for thank you thank you and thank you for what you are doing. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Germany you are also up for Item G which is a First Amendment to use agreement for Volusia County emergency medical. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Do you mind if I address a couple of things on the last thing. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: If there is nothing from the Council. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: To clarify IM for technology for enhancing safety only concern which is very soon it just happened to be this Item number wrote as a battalion for nine months never knew if there was cameras in the vehicles there is no policy there is no driving think the only thing for driving is from 2000 HR bulletin number nine, cameras were mounted either fleet in the manner this is by my head went crazy they were mounted in the manner in the same expedition vehicle two different ways this AI camera caught the reflection in the mirror and notified them to take care of something. My concern is only with the protected health information of our citizens. The AI has the camera ability to do that I want to beat a dead horse it's a good thing I can see the value the.[Listing Names] is very effective. Give me one second let me pull this up. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Is there a clock. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Item G this is adding essentially be capabilities for the city of the Deland to transport IM for this anytime with your fire based EMS whether it is in an event at Stetson or any standby among groups in Portland I appreciate our partnerships with the city of Deland. Help, we should take a look at this nothing major. Just bring concern it was not that long ago we had out EMS units at station 82 in Deland we had to vacate the property we had to put the county in a situation where we had to find his crews place to live you guys did it you guys put them at 46 and at Glenwood I don't speak for them it altered a little time response times but we're getting through it. I just want to pose a little consideration. We do a little bit more extensive training on transport and EMS. I think those guys should have to do that as well. We usually have about five days before we can even think about transporting a patient after you are cleared as a paramedic with the medical director. Again events are conservative cost 7.5% collection fee I think that is pretty routine around the county I think the county should be doing it I think the county should be issuing those CO/PCN the question comes should not be making money and transport but there is a revenue pointed as if you charge a citizen in Deland at that and say an ambulance transport is $1000 7.5% firefighter map is $75 per room just hope we're getting a full tank of gas back in this ambulance it is stocked with high-tech equipment very valuable output is housed in a proper manner I full confidence in Deland fire department chief Ellen, I consider him the number two chief number one being chief King. Again I am for this I'm glad we are moving this way within that direction. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for the next Item we have for people to speak on Item H before they do that. Would you mind coming forward and just giving us a 30,000 foot view of Item H on bonding. It might answer a lot of questions. >> RYAN OSSOWSKI,STAFF: Item H is an IRS document primarily it does authorize some of the culinary matters like if we move forward with the bond council would be if we move forward the fact we will need ratings and other things that are necessary for bond financing that the primary purpose of this is to declare the county's official intent that if we move forward with bonds that is important part is if, if we move forward with bonds that were starting to clock today at any purchases we make into the Volusia Forever program starting today would be eligible to be use of the future bond proceeds. In general the IRS has a lot of rules and restrictions on tax-exempt debt because they want to make sure that when tax-exempt debt is issued that is a subsidy from the federal government basically the fact they are not collecting income taxes for that income to the bondholders that is encumbered that is life there is all of these rules or this tax-exempt debt is when the IRS is involved in a debt issuance those rules include making sure that we're not just trying to issue tax-exempt debt for prior past projects they have an interest in that there is a process to try to extend that that is what this is this is declaring an intent that if we move forward with bonds the clock starts today any purchases made by the Council going forward would be eligible for that. It does not approve any individual plan to purchase, each land purchase will be brought forward through the Volusia Forever process, council still decides on each and every land purchase none of this requires any individual purchase read they will still be an individual vote an individual decision on the land purchase that is done. There is a reserve balance on the Volusia Forever fund depending on the purchases it is possible that the reserve balance might be enough to fund that it really depends on the actions that the Council takes in the next 15-18 months. The IRS gives you an 18 month window it takes about three months to get bond financing process through zone 15 months is when we will recalculate what we are look at how much how many land purchases how much money has been allocated to that and if there is a need, if the purchase is accumulated over that period of time a bond issuance I would seek council direction to move forward with using any of those other preliminary services. This will not incur any costs, less the Council directs to move forward with bond purchasing it to stress the clock that these are eligible if we move forward. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: You wonderful people that want to speak you just heard from Ryan Ossowski the chief financial officer he is just doing good preparation. So if we need something we will have it. I will call you names if you like to just say we approve of you. If you want to come up and take your time first we have.[Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Thank you I will be brief. In 1986 with a flash of political exuberance sitting County Council and a bunch of Lent activists devised a program to purchase endangered lands, for preservation in perpetuity to see that Mr. Dempsey walked out of the room. It was a great program it was approved with 61% of the voters and form was program Volusia Forever in 2000. It was preapproved by some 5.6% of the voters in 2020. Because it is very valuable. To protect endangered lands to keep it from being developed so that 1000 years from now that land is available for enjoyment by our population. We have another 14 used to go on the 2020 boat. We don't need Volusia Forever to be touched for the next 14 years. He comes up for a vote in 14 years at that point we can revisit it discuss it and see where it is grown. But the next 14 years will be very important to preserving endangered lands. Because as you can see across the county, we are developing swaths of perfectly beautiful endangered lands we are told dosing dump your chopping up the trees we are filling it and building slab on grade developments and were having a devastating consequences throughout the county. Temocha farms village but everywhere in Orange City in Deland in Ormond Beach New Smyrna and Edgewater in Port Orange everywhere it's important to find at these pictures of property to purchase them when they are available that is why bonding is very important that we don't have the money we can ponder for it to purchase it today when it's available before it goes on the open market to preserve the land in perpetuity Volusia Forever Florida Forever means forever I think you guys understand that think everybody in this room's understand adult anybody in this room is against Volusia Forever. We are against any changes in the program we wanted to remain the same we have 14 more years to run out the clock on the program as is as voted on by 75.6% of Volusia County voters. Can you get that many people to agree on many things, no they agree on Volusia Forever so protective Volusia Forever I know discussions of come up about changing it to the detriment of the program, we want bonding you want it to run the clock we don't want any changes so more charter amendments nothing else. But keep the program as is. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you Doug Weaver. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: You are good. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: [Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Planning Council I'm here to speak in sports bonding for the Volusia Forever land conservation program Volusia County resident voted for conservationists because we understand what's at stake we are one of the classes according regions of Florida with growth comes pressure and a natural plants water resources and quality of life. Volusia Forever was created to protect what makes this county special wetlands and wildlife habitat which include turtles and squirrels Councilman Dempsey. And our drinking water sources, these lands don't sit idle and work for us every day by reducing the impact of flooding, a proven record in preserving the natural beauty that draws people here in the first place. Bonding is a tool that allows us to act now rather than later. Land prices are not going down, development pressure is not Sloan. If we wait we may lose opportunities and will never get back. This is about undrinkable of the voters to approve funding for conservation with the expectation it would be used effectively and in a timely manner. Moving forward with funding demonstrates that listening and that you are committed to delivering on the purpose land conservation is the smartest investment a community can make land conservation protects property values produces long-term infrastructure costs mitigates flooding protect certain water and ensures that future generations inherit the county to file: attached another overdeveloped stretch of Florida. Respectfully ask you to support funding for the Volusia Forever in short this program achieves its full potential for our environment economy in future generations thank you for your timely. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you Suzanne Shaver. I will remind everybody this Item has not been pulled for vote the only way the vote against the US the vote against the entire Consent Agenda we do appreciate hearing from you. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good morning Suzanne dream green Volusia there is only one Volusia Forever program they are not different versions of the program for the Council estate the federal government travel view commissions the finance department Volusia Forever committee or the public who voted there is only one program to uphold the integrity and productivity partnerships transparency and bonding that we voted for. Because these were not read into the public record on March 17 and some are missing here today to make sure they are recognized. The following are letters of support from municipalities and organizations 1000 friends of Florida Indian liquor views Council Oak Hill Edgewater Daytona Beach Ormond Beach Deltona Daytona Beach Shores Lake Helen Orange City the land Ms Tucker Ponce Inlet autopilot core definition Johns River keeper Dean River keeper.[Listing Names] [Listing Names] it is a momentous occasion to reach 40 years of land conservation initiatives for 25 years of Volusia Forever in 2026. You're in a position to celebrate our achievements. The best way to uphold expectations is by example. Actions showing our state legislators that all representatives local municipality elected officials and our electorate that we respect what we vote for property owner rights the value of land, what elected representative all representatives will champion Volusia Forever will be the ambassador or ambassadors to a celebration? Respecting perpetuity partnerships transparency and bonding the state of the county next year should be dedicated entirely to celebrating our 40th year milestone in the goals we reached this year. Our intentions are pure readership is about leading and showing that we will not sell our conservation lands and will not develop them for future infrastructure because we note the value of that where we live and we respect it. Land conservation transcends time division and politics in Volusia the support shown is unwavering. This is a shared path of collaboration for the greater good that began decades before you, during her time as elected officials and will continue after you. Humbly before and after any of us. Please support the concept of bonding today as a tool required for success. In addition we support the Alachua amendment for Volusia as well thank you for your time. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for your comments. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: I am putting these and on public records there positive letters thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank You. John Nicholson to close Item H out. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: John Nicholson Daytona Beach side either question. I listen to people talk on Volusia Forever. And Florida Forever, it seems everybody has their own opinion of what they voted for. When I voted for Volusia Forever and Florida Forever, the idea was to save the land for a number of reasons. That just leaves damn pristine. If we need this land let's say for a trail that goes through the forest what is wrong with putting the trail to the forest? We cannot do that because if this person feels it has to be steamed you cannot touch it. What is the use of putting this land if we don't use it when we need it for recreation. Many of us thought we would use it for recreation. Which one do you all agree with? Must it stay pristine and never touched? Or can we use it for recreation or can we use it for flooding? Can we use it for gas in the future if we need it? I don't believe those things were brought out during the vote. If you put it to a vote, do people really believe we can never ever touch half of our entire county for anything? I don't believe anybody thought that. When you look at this Dempsey has his own view I may not agree with it but I don't agree with the idea that there would never touch it to believe it is pristine. Half of our county cannot be left untouched. I understand his water conservation and actively think it is beneficial to us. But so are trails so our horse trails are whatever. There are all kinds of things that can be done that don't affect totally that is what the land was set aside for I think we have to have that discussion at some point. Is it pristine does this matter amendment Volusia Forever say it must remain pristine and can never be touched? Or can there be do to whatever happens in the future if we vote or if there is a council vote if there is a need we can change it not totally but in incremental things or they can be needed by the people of Volusia County thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. Brings us to Adam J which is the N CA and NDA collegiate championship days. [Listing Names] of Deleon Springs. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: [Listing Names] beat the public to understand this is your Consent Agenda and you will pass it. However we want to be on record that's the reason we are appearing talking about those things that are out on YouTube for 500 people to listen to. It's important that you have already tested and you decided you will pass. It is important to us if those out there that cannot compare or actually listen to us the public. I'm speaking on animal control officer week April 12-18. That proclamation is long overdue. Those animal control officers are absolutely incredible. I don't think anybody understands what they face, and what they put themselves through on a regular basis. I want to specifically call out Officer Riggins, who had interactions with him on Black Gold Hill Road for almost 2 years every time he's come out over this responsible dog owner. He's been incredibly professional, he's been compassionate, he's been kind, he's followed state law. That's the difficult thing to deal recently my husband was out in black Dondero Road on a Sunday mining Stonebrook business riding a bicycle one of those vicious dogs came out and catch themselves to his leg and tore his leg open he was screaming and kicking as hard as he could dog latched onto his foot and tore into his foot. My husband finally got away. Thank God he took the bicycle 1 mile home biking. He was bleeding profusely and drove himself to the emergency room to get tetanus shots, rabies shots and stitches. He walked out of there with several thousand dollars of medical bills. The owner of that dog had to put the dog in his room for 10 days and get a $150 fine and don't get to go back out again, attack somebody again and get upset because this is very personal. You can see what officer Riggins had to deal with our attitude, our anger and frustration. He dealt with us with respect, kindness with empathy and he followed state law. He did everything right on the far side of that was the responsible owner who thinks his dog is a sweetie and his dog should not pay anything. He's upset, yes to pay a $150 fine officer Riggins dealt with us on that side and reached those people on that side were not guilty. Treated all of us with respect and all of us with courtesy. He calmed the whole thing down for scalability will become a gun battle somebody could've gotten killed over this because so many people are still set these dogs have done this in the past they've attacked another neighbor's dog and torn to shreds. This could hopefully be consulted quickly. Instead officer Riggins bought the whole thing back down and handled it totally professionally. I just want to call him out and also his director because everything is a top-down thing. You got her who does a fantastic job. The entire division deserves much more than one week of praise. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I can go from one to the other regarding the dog scenario the lady presented to us I would like for the staff not now unless you guys have it a synopsis dangerous dog ossification process which we've done several changes to recently. If you don't have it now I don't expect you to, >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: When I heard the comment I asked somebody to get with animal control to get with her to discuss that very thing. I don't know the story. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I don't expect you to know it is a last-minute solution it has one of the toughest standards when it comes to dangerous dogs because we took that position almost one year ago now. With insurance and makes it very difficult to have a dangerous dog pacified in Volusia. I look forward to an update from the staff. On P if the staff can come down? This sparked my interest to tell me about it and what people from blue shirts to hear what you're doing with this. >> STAFF: Director of public protection if you don't mind I would like to thank you for the comments about animal services. Also one of my division am so proud of the work they do we will be looking to that person as for the Item with beach safety, this is actually we are really excited about it it's an innovative kind of way to one of our deputy chiefs Ajay Miller found to use this device called slipstream, what it is intended to do this piece of equipment actually put it in a pool is basically a treadmill and a pulley. You can have a small pool and swim against it and get a good workout and all that kind of stuff. Deputy chief Miller actually noticed one of the major issues that we have of course at our beach is dealing with rip current. How do you train people to get out of and to feel what a rip current feels like in a safe controlled environment what he kind of started to play around with is the idea of using the slipstream to train what it feels like to get into her rip current get swept out swim parallel and get out of that rip current temporary is the intention here he has worked for the state now to get these slipstream devices out to all kind of coastal communities so the devil is correct which is what this Item is here is to reimburse for the cost you kind of been playing around with it. The company let us be kind of useless and test the theory. This is believed to purchase and reimburse the slipstream equipment but our intention is to put it into community pools be worked with the hotel Association, to get it into if they want to do some training sessions in hotels for people to really be able to feel what it is to get into a rip current get out of her rip current like a said in a controlled environment was actually out with them yesterday jumping off the pier because Chairman Brower asked me about it. I tell them all the time and know what the diagram is to look at what a rip current is supposed to look like they were pointing it out to me all the district on this is a rip current I said I don't see it I am not seeing it when I was in it I tested out the slipstream I said this is what it is. This is what a rip current feels like I thought: turn parallel and swim out you can feel and what it is to get out of rip current that is what it is. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: How are we going to market this? How can people utilize it? >> STAFF: We can take it over . The equipment is very small, it is just like a little thing you put into the side of the pool. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I'm sorry to cut you out if you can go to why they have appalls you can do this on X date and time. The people sign up and show off. >> STAFF: That's the plan. I plan to hold training sessions either at YMCA or at Daytona State any kind of community pool. It will work in any kind of pool even in a hotel. Still, we reached out to see if there's any interest in that as well. We will hold some training sessions but education sessions for people to get in the water and to feel what that feels like. It is truly an educational tool beyond the diagram to see what it looks like. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Thank you for that I encourage you to make sure that I request that as we deploy this we do not just deploy it on the east side we have pools on the west side people on the west side go to the beach also so please do that thank you for it . I'm sad I woke up this morning watching the news there was a father that his kids got caught in the riptide in Florida a few minutes to save them he saved the two kids and the father died very sad it happened this week I got caught in a rip tide also it was scary I could use the training thank you and thank you George for bringing that forward. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you everybody for your comment we have a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda as presented all in favor -*UNTRAN1*. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed? The consent agenda has passed unanimously. That means us to Item number three. Proclamation for presentation. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Cancel thank you for your support and sponsorship with a much reduced proclamation, the reason we are here today Council and the public is to recognize and honor the dedication and bravery of Volusia Sheriff’s Office as an organization but today specifically deputies Austin Graham and Nathan Vargas. Excuse me in a short on February 15 Deputies Graham and Vargas responded to a house fire in Deland as we all know that's a little bit outside of their scope but they responded anyway. Deputies were able to rescue an elderly resident from the home, which was fully engulfed and their actions give this resident a few more days here on mother Earth with their friends and their families. Today he will honor you guys as I was reading this and reflect back on it. I cannot help but see you guys sitting in the back with your wives and your loved ones. It is scary. We are all parents here. It hits home because a lot of us were in those sorts of situations. Just enjoy and cherish every moment with them as citizens and as the councilmember I am absolutely honored . I am honored to have you guys represent us and give us that level of service before reading that proclamation if we can give these young guys a round of applause. [Applause]. Without further ado, Whereas, thanks to their heroic and self of two Volusia Sheriff’s Office Deputy a Deland woman was rescued from a series house fire and Whereas, until the 15th 2026 Deputy Austin Graham was the first to arrive on scene of the blaze and without hesitation forced his way inside the burning structure to search for the occupants. Upon entering the home Deputy Graham discovered the woman unresponsive on hallway floor flames and smoke rapidly filling the residence and Whereas, Deputy Nathan Vargas arrived to assist Deputy Graham pull the woman from the home and immediately began performing rescued reading to sustain her till emergency medical personnel could take over. And Whereas, the woman was transported to local hospital and serious condition Deputy Graham when you told small during the rescue was evaluated at this scene for smoke inhalation and where is the courage quick thinking and unwavering commitment demonstrated by the deputies exemplify the highest ideals of law enforcement service and reflect a great honor upon of Volusia Sheriff’s Office. Now therefore we the County Council of Volusia County Florida do hereby proclaim April 7 2026 deputies Austin Graham and Nathan Vargas date. Congratulations. Sheriff, do you have any other words? >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Council like you so much for taking the time to recognize them and chief you cannot recruit them Deputy Congress have you turn 21 yet? 26 got you. Thank you council very much. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I thought you were here to serve a warrant Sheriff.[Unclear Audio]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Before the MoveOn can I get a motion to approve the proclamation. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I make a motion to approve. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed? 7/0. Item number four. Wait a few seconds for I think we are a good Item for his Resolution 2026. Rezoning of 1.02-acres from Transitional Agriculture (A-3) to Neighborhood Commercial (B-2). >> RAY TYNER : Growth resources management Director this is rezoning of 1.02 acres from traditional agriculture A3 B-two located 2455 Indiana Ave. The applicant is Mark Lowe. The applicant here also would like to speak on this Item as well. You can see the only aerial. Where the location is. This has some interesting history as you can see the existing zoning on the left-hand side of the B-2 is commercial. It is about half-acre. It was zoned many many years ago probably 20 years ago and today standards as our code is nonconforming B-2 commercial needs to be a minimum 1 acre. The applicant who owns the property also owned the A3 portion and they have a single-family residential unit on that property they put in a petition to rezone to make the zoning and conformity up to 1.52 acres. Again it is the area is 1 acre the planning and land development regulation commission voted to deny by 3/4 vote. The concern cited was the road network impacts. They thought the commercial should be closer to go back and show you State Road 472. There was one speaker who opposed citing concerns with future driveway access. And handling the additional traffic. And transportation in the future we are here for any questions the applicant represented also want to speak. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: We have a motion to approve >> I make a motion to approve. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Before we go any further that this is a quasi-judicial hearing, Any council member has any EX PARTE disclosure that they need to declare? Seeing none who said that the applicant is here. >> RAY TYNER : It is my understanding the applicant represented wanted to speak. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Do you want to come forward? >> MARK LOWE,APPLICANT: This property he went over most of it with you the property is a 3 acre parcel 2.5 acres is a three day half-acre is B-2 when split in half an acre in half it is all wooded the other half is basically a residential unit is approximately 200 yards of 472 with the future growth of 472 a blue there will be some additional things needed possibly some office space things like that that is what I'm looking to look at. Looking for your approval. Thank you. Thank you for listening. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay thank you. Council any questions for the staff first? >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Ray, thank you for just a quick couple of questions and the public opposition. >> RAY TYNER : There was one speaker who was concerned about maybe a future driveway and impacting the neighborhood most likely the driveway would be on the let me go to an aerial for you. Most likely if commercial development would come in the driveway would be off of Minnesota. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: That is something we can take care of during the permit process to make sure that there are no burdens like that or problems like that created. Also A3 zoning commercial agriculture AG. With that anything that pertains to agriculture can go on their machinery, tractors, traffic in and out and noise. A lot of that stuff I see is by a major roadway, I will save my comments for afterwards. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: I think you need to take care of them all. I guess my question is was the land as far as we can tell we split that way or was there more B-2 at some point. >> RAY TYNER : Some of the research has been asking staff, for 20 years it was always zoned that way. And even put forth that I think there was more commercial within that area. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: Right now B-2 half-acre nonconforming looking up at anything there he can use it for AG right. >> RAY TYNER : Right now half-acre is commercial nonconforming if an application would come in for some sort of commercial it would be because it is conforming you need to half-acre in the future it then would have to come to the Council again to try to get back. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: Either way thanks that's all I have for now chairman. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay, the PLDRC voted to deny? >> RAY TYNER : Yes they did. Some of the concerns of the PLDRC was that they preferred that the commercial would be located closer to the state road. 472. Also the road network impacts or potential impacts in the future. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: It says recommended motions for denial. >> RAY TYNER : That was Shelley, Sixma, Craig, Bush. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: That did not come from our staff. >> RAY TYNER : No. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any other council members. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Mr. Kent don't want to step on you that you have a question or discussion I just wanted to let Chairman know I was in the back for moment had no ex parte communication I just want to put that on the record. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: This is one of the rare occasions. Can we get the map back up Karissa if you don't mind? I look at this I see B-2 we hear testimony that priority was more B-2 on it I combine that with the agricultural activities that could take place just like certain commercial activities that could take place on B-2 but right now the way it was kind of chopped up and whatnot in the past he has an unusual piece what I want to do is try to make this whole I see it is by several major thoroughfares. Which is good it is not deep inside any neighborhoods from what it looks like there is high density it looks like across the street, and anything in my opinion looking at this that you put there it will service possibly the immediate needs. There is only so much that can go on for his rate. How big is that sliver of property in totality. >> RAY TYNER : The whole property is 3 acres. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Council at the end of this part of town there are setbacks and buffers mandatory tree preservation which is how many percent 15% or so Ray 20% prints the time you get downstairs really specific things that he can do there. I'm not opposed to renting that. Although I respect the input of the Council but this is rare I don't think we've ever had really one of these. I will support the landowner. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay. Any other council members? As I'm reading this year, on the Item the request is to move from A3 which is the majority of the property right now to B-2 Denny I understand what you're saying I may be the only one that I am going to oppose this I think if we the one thing that we can do on this council to preserve AG land and other underboss plan is to just stop rezoning it is zoned this way for a reason I would like to see it remain in agriculture I'm opposed to this. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Just to respond I agree with you I think you've done a great job doing that I think we've conserved over 7000 acres we also, unanimously I believe talked about supporting small business and startups and diversifying our tax base when it comes to that. I asked if this is 1 acre. This is not 1000 acres or 10 acres or 100 acres. I agree with you on the AG land but we're talking about 1 acre here. Is there a middle ground Chairman to earn your support? They may put an agricultural business there. I don't know friends but there is not a whole lot they can do. They can do nothing with it now but there's not a whole lot that they can do on 1 acre. You will probably lose 40% of their property of that 1 acre with setbacks and all of that. The impact I don't see is just my opinion. If there is a middle ground I like to hear it. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Thank you Mr. Chair. I was going to stay silent on this one but the overall premise requires me to vote because I cannot stay quiet when it comes to rights for people. This is a normal thing. But we cannot make comments like overall arching statements that we can rezone people's properties because you have a right to petition your government. The moment we do that, if we all said that appears guess what millage rate would quadruple because we would sue the hell out of this world because people have rights. What we need to do is weigh that with the actual request to see if it is a fair and balanced one that does not have too much of an overarching impact on the environment and things like that. And make Bell's position, so broad statements like that are bad for you because when they are against you. Right now it is not, can I call you all the blue shirt folks. I see the blue shirt folks, some of you nodding your head and I get it. I think today I learned about a community that you live in based on some of the things that you oppose which is a fairly new community. I want you to know when that community came up there were people there that did not want you to live there. I'm trying to discourage anybody. I want you to know our job is to take all of that information and find the balance. Every decision we can make here is going to be somebody with a majority or none journey that will heat it or like it. I think because we are in these tough seats I really think it's a tough seats. We have to balance that it is easy to take the populace route on every topic. Because then just make friends. But we have to be arbitrators of the law artists applied to everyone. Sometimes it will put people on the opposite side of always being an advocate that if we don't like the law, let's work on changing it and apply that law as it is changed fairly to everybody moving forward. But as the laws are written today should apply those fairly to everyone because it protects everybody's) I don't take everything that we have to vote for often not often but sometimes, but I also swore an oath to apply the Constitution and the laws of the state of Florida equitably to everyone. This is a minor one. We will have some top ones. Some of you talk about some of the things I did not even know about this parking thing the truck route some things we have to consider there. Understand this SB will myself, maybe some of my colleagues. We have to treat everyone equally and weigh every single one. I will never make the broadest statement that I think could take people's rights away. So is popular to one person or two people today and tomorrow it can be against something you want to do that is what our founding fathers warned us about, thank you Mr. Chair. Special thank you sir, a quick question for Ray. I took a look at the satellite if we grant this will this be a challenge for him to to the land entries in all of that stuff on the front half of the property. >> RAY TYNER : They will come through technical review I think life was mentioned before the challenge meaning they will have to comply with the setbacks of the zoning bill have to that is when the details come in when you have a site plan to look at the trees the preservation and some that we kind of guesstimated looking at the size of this is rezone to maker .5 you can probably get a five thousand square-foot building may be nothing really large you have a parking field you have to have the storm water. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : A note the applicant said a small business building back to Danny's comment as an AG property probably can have more traffic and more action and more a lot including what he wants to do on that front half. If we turned it into all AG. This might be the best use of that 1.5 acres thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay. I will just wrap it up with this. I'm not taking the populace route, I'm not breaking the laws of the state of Florida and I'm not taking anybody's rights away David, the owner of the property has a right to do on the property what it is zoned for and yes he has a right to appeal to change that. We are not required to approve that appeal. My opposition to it is for the rights of everybody else that lives in that area that wants to live in a quiet residential area with agricultural pursuits. It is not close to it is not on the highway, where there would be a business. I am protecting the rights of all the people to live around you pointed out the people in the blue shirts that are opposed to different views on the property near them that will require changes. I think sometimes we need to protect the people that move into an area that moved into it for a purpose because of the current zoning in the current land use. I'm seeking to protect them. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Thank you Mr. Chair and I don't think I called you out Mr. Chairman on my statement. I think her words were more what I would not do. I was referencing myself. Things I would not do while I am up here. I don't think so. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: That implied breaking the law applies the laws of the state of Florida taking people's rights away. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: If you feel that way, I think I understand your assessment but since you brought yourself out you made the statement saying we want to change the zoning you basically said that. He said you will not support changing any zoning if you want things to be the same. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: No that is incorrect and did not say that I sent one of the best thing is to do for the residents is not change every zoning becomes before us or every land-use that is why we are suffering from flooding around the county because we are changing the zoning and allowing things that were never approved in an area. I looked at each one of them very closely. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: That's a good one thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Karissa, will you call the roll. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Yes. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Yes. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: Yes. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Yes. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: No. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Yes. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: No and if the change passes 5/2. We will move to Item number five. Which is also a quasi- judicial hearing Rezoning 67.9-acres from Resource Corridor (RC) to a Planned Unit Development (PUD) ex parte disclosure's . >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I do just from the attorneys. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Same. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: None. >> RAY TYNER : This is a rezoning for 67.9 acres of RC to Planned Unit Developments located at 16 20 Lake Harney Rd. Hosting the applicant is Mark Watts behavior representative here today they would like to speak on behalf of this Item as well. You can see the aerial a little bit different of a rezoning. It stemmed from a code compliance case if you look at the aerial on the right-hand side you can see something that looks like a landing strip for an airport the original owner of the property had built that landing strip. It is asphalt. They used it for I forget what they call these large LANES not the people flying them. They had it and used it for that hobby. Another owner purchased the property I don't know about recently but they had a code compliance case that they were not allowed to have it on that airstrip. They initiated a petition for a rezoning from RC to a Planned Unit Developments. Part of their development agreement is that the existing landing strip, asphalt, would be removed. Also on the if you look at the screen on the right-hand side it is not on their properties so they are removing fat off somebody else's property. They will replace it with grass. My understanding is that the airstrip would be used for the single-family residence as an airplane small aircraft. Also part of this is a single-family home. The development agreement limits one home residential so no increase in density. PLDRC held a public hearing on February 19 2026. There was no Public Participation the appeal DRC voted 4/3 Ford this council with a recommendation of approval. If you have any questions the applicant is here and would like to say s'mores as well. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Questions for the staff. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Ray, great presentation here. I just want to stress that the purpose of this PUD is to bring an existing site condition into compliance. The application does not propose any expansion of new structures, does it give them any future rights to new structures because when people see or hear PUD. We are the biggest bad man and we just approved a rezoning can emphasize this on the record. >> RAY TYNER : No additional units but accessory structures for single-family houses say they want a pool of course they can get a pool. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Of course that's not a big deal produces existing impact by required more of asphalt airstrip, one question, why do these folks have to go through a PUD process that probably cost a lot of money when they could take a skid steer and start pulling up asphalt and haul it off. >> RAY TYNER : It is the use itself; the use for the single-family area does not permit an airstrip . That is basically why the PUD is required. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: This has been there for a long time, this is nothing new. I understand thank you Ray. Good job. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: He just asked all of my questions. I just want to point out, are you here to speak and Mark is not here? I will call on you next. There is no development here there is a house. They are not planning on building a neighborhood this is why I just said in the previous Item you have a look at each one separately I'm all in favor of this spring what it will do is remove and asphalt airstrip and replace it with grass and allow the owner of the property to use it as intended. As currently, it is a shame, Danny said yes to go through this to do that. I'm looking at each one separately, I don't have any issues with this. Would you care to speak to thank you Ray. >> APPLICANT: It is still good morning.[Listing Names] Good lawyers know when not to talk. I will clarify that it's an RC aircraft landing strip which is very interesting. Our client brought it in 2012. It's been there for over a decade. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All right smart thank you. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Ray, you are familiar with the ongoing issue with the helicopter pilot using his private residence out in Deleon Springs are you familiar with that plan. >> RAY TYNER : Yes sir. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Other than FDOT and the FAA approvals that this gentleman might get, what will stop him if he can land his aircraft currently or if he does I guess he already does, what will prevent us from having that album here. >> RAY TYNER : I think the other issue is the active code case we have been kind of investigating. They have not gone through the permitting process. There is a process for special exceptions for example if you had a helicopter or helipad and those types of things. That is with that issue. This issue they are going the appropriate zoning to set it up. As far as the FAA requirements and all of that. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : That should cover everything not that everybody will be happy he will be able to do it. >> RAY TYNER : Yes, that's all I have. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay. No more questions for the staff for the attorney. Any comments before I call forth the vote? No comments. We have Councilman Robbins you made the motion to approve. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I make a motion to approve. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed? It passes 7/0. Thank you. Item number six. It's an easy one Proposed vacation of a portion of the Corrected Plat of River Park Mobile Home Colony Section. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I make a motion to approve. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any questions for staff? >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: No ex parte communication. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: No one? No questions and no comments all in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed? >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Fantastic presentation. You're getting better all the time Item 7 Item 07 Growth & Resource Management Services Mini-Budget Workshop Presentation. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Motion to approve. >> RAY TYNER : I thought the finance guy was going to give an intro that is absolutely okay. Will come thank you. We are going to cover growth and resource management services specifically for the General Fund and the Municipal Services District fund. We will cover three primary divisions. We've got the administrative planning and development services environmental management will cover the inner mental center as well. Since it is a really big department that will cover each area then I will pause more questions or if you have any feedback. The first one will cover administration and technology. Our total expenses are about 1.2 five million dollars. The administration consists of about five employees myself, operations manager special projects coordinator senior administrative assistant. Administrative assistant. We have a technology side of this we have 4 FTE that is a database system I will talk a little bit more about in the future. Just a summary of the administration department activity of the department as it mainly provides administration technical support. We want all of our separate divisions planning the code in building to be successful. We are there to support them to make sure that they are accessible in their roles. He worked to improve the operations. We look at making things better efficiency again. We maintain the manna system, the AMANDA system to process applications if you don't know what transport system is, the AMANDA system that does our accounting, and does our inspections online. It goes through that process, it's a technology process. The process is for our applications. Not only does growth resource management utilize its accounting pirate rescuer Public Works the health department, so many people are entwined with the AMANDA system. It is a very important tool for us. They maintain the connective life of web portals. For 24/7 24 hours a day. We maintain online permit guides to provide a one-stop source that is relatively new. We have an individual that does monitor these 17 community redevelopment agencies, when the counselor asks for information on the CRA and other areas we have a staff member that has the ability to make sure that they are in compliance and they are doing what they're supposed to be doing with the CRs. We also have a few staff that archive historical growth resource management. You can imagine the paperwork that we have at the County. The old microfilm we are actually taking is digitizing to make it accessible not only to the staff but also to the community if they need it. Our operating expenses are contract services and are about $180,000. Our software licensing is for AMANDA our JS or blue beam all of the tools that help our division. $112,000 For temporary personnel, admission to the archive and taking the paper to digital we do have a couple of temporary staff to do that full-time. We have so much paperwork. Our indirect cost and our administration fees. Some of our accompaniments again about AMANDA. It is pretty amazing we completed 160 per request for updates training 18 fishing related Items. If a division like building once improves their process or planning he will go from step a -step. If you change your process to become more efficient you have to change the AMANDA system. AMANDA does not make processes efficient. Our departments make the process efficient then AMANDA has to set the program to make sure that that workflow is what we desire. We've had 16,250 applications submitted online. This past year 90-9% of all of our building permit applications are online. 98% of the building inspections are scheduled online. We also collect payments as part of that AMANDA system. It is done automatically. It is done via Matt on paper what you can do that via the system the two individuals we have we have recorded his lesson archive more than 40,000 historical files dispatcher. Another big help that we have as cars administration as we address growth resource judgment public records request so other staff members can do their job. We process those notes that we have done. Some of us other efficiencies we implement the new permit guides that were just released to provide customers and submittals online and information of what it would take to permit a project. Wc put links to council member service tools and made our GRM website more efficient. If you remember this we adjusted the temperament types this is a good example of AMANDA when the Council when we did an ordinance to look at like our fence permitting where we did not require fences or if we change a special exception process for special exceptions did not go to the Council but the planning board the AMANDA system has to take that and develop a system and a process to make sure that that process flows according with new regulations. And the new code. So future challenges or opportunities I guess you call them, I think keeping up with changing technology state statute every time state statute changes or process changes our technology needs to change as well. Then picking efficiency improvements, I can tell you planning and building we are all looking at this year, of making significant improvements to our development review processes. Making it more efficient, that will take a lot of work on the AMANDA. Creating performance measures for development review that we don't have now. That is something that we are looking into. That is something that AMANDA will be a big help on in making sure that that happens making sure your tracking development reviews on time and those types of things that will be a great opportunity for us this year. Again, another opportunity is that the AMANDA contract will expire in 2028 now we need to really start evaluating options. Is there another program that is better and more efficient to do the job a little bit better? Do we need to stick with AMANDA and make some improvements to AMANDA. That will all be coming in the future that we have to be looking at that system. Do we have questions? Any feedback on the administration portion of GRM. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I have one quick question just on what you said you have to look at AMANDA in the future any idea how long are you looking now you are talking about upgrading and not replacing. >> RAY TYNER : Both, or contract runs out for AMANDA. We have been researching and looking at other key development review modules. That is something we will continue to do. That is coming up we will need to make a decision on what is best for the community and what is best for us. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: After the special session in Tallahassee? >> RAY TYNER : Yes maybe. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay any other questions so far? >> RAY TYNER : Okay, I want to go on to planning. Planning we have several activities we have operations we have a council member service group. We have a planning activity. Real mapping and address and real estate. Our total expenses for this group is $3.8 Million per year. We do receive some revenues about $425,000 that are primarily dealing with our application fees, our site plans, our zoning fees and planning fees and those types of things. It's a little view of our organization chart. We have our division director. We have the council member service group. The planning again and mapping and address. Some of our summary of operations is we have a council member service lobby and zoning call center. It is amazing how many inquiries we get and the work that they do and phone calls. We have our planning and development review team. Physically their job partly is to make sure that all applications that are coming in and all permits that comply with the Comprehensive Plan, the land development code the area local plans and all of the requirements that we have. They also conduct public hearings to the PLDRC of course the city Council. Then we have a Development Review. They are part of the development review committee. It's a team of technical folks as you all know our professional engineers transportation they meet on a regular basis. To problem solve they have to go through the application petitions that are coming in-house. One of the things that we also do that is under planning and land development is our mapping and address printed. We have our GIS team. They do the countywide E 911 addressing the streets and the planning disaster assessment that is a really big tool for us in growth management resources when the applications come in new applications coming need to address its life safety. We work fairly closely with our fire and emergency services to make sure that we have the appropriate addresses on there. Another thing is the community rating system that you should know about our national flood insurance program that we manage. We have saved our taxpayers close to $2 million just on premiums savings for flood insurance and we continued that program as well. Some of our operating expenses, your indirect cost half $1 million for contracted services for his consulting services, we don't really use, we have not really used it that much. We do have some money for a fee study that is in the budget. Other than that we would use this for if the Council says I want a quick study and this sometimes we use consultants depending on our availability to make sure that we provided that service. Our membership fee is $133,000 a little over most of that membership fee is to the east central Florida regional planning Council. $124,000 Little over that the rest of that is memberships for the staff like Association of affectional planning. We do have a service charge that goes to other departments legal ads and a lot of that is also pass through. We have the budget for it but the applicant at the end of the day will pay for that fee. Just by their numbers, for total council member service interactions this past year has been close to 70,000 people. That is amazing! Site plan review 220 standalone permits 250 hour PL DRC cases 110 we've done reviews courtesy reviews when an applicant comes and not even an applicant, a customer, comes in and says I have to destroy what can I do here, what is zoning those types of things to do courtesy reviews all the time. Address requests, part of the E911 system there are over 6000 of those. Then we get GIS requests as well. Accomplishments, I know Carol reorganized the division and believed formed a council member service team within the last five months. She brought these people together. The concept is that you're the zoning person that understands this and you will be the planning person that understands this work building. Let's get them together and train them. We don't want our customers going from one person to another person. Let's train them and get them going so we consolidated and hid it more efficiently. Also, the PLDRC schedule streamlined some of that. Some of the things you may be looking at I will be bringing in the future is really changing the process making it more efficient. When I was hired. Spoke to you that first day her deficiencies and efficiencies. Let's make it more efficient. We will be coming to you in the future with some ideas on a process that we believe can be better efficient for not only our staff but for our customers. We again reduced the number of public hearings and formed a special exception action that you took about four or five months ago that really helped the process and streamline the process. Of course we have that new low-impact development in the LID subdivision that our applicants are actually utilizing which is great. Future challenges our opportunities to maintain a high level of council member service again I will be with efficiency changes. To get more customers we want to modernize our development review process. I already talked about ideas we will be sharing in the future. With the streamlining of permitting to maintain our strong community we have assumed the post disaster damage assessment. We will be doing that hopefully we don't have to do that in a long time and what our team has been tasked with doing. Another thing that we looked at I know that our inspection fees or other permit fees or application fees do not cover all costs. That is something that I know the staff I think the Council had mentioned before of looking at reevaluating some of those application fees. There may be some application fees that are way off meaning way off too high for a customer. It could be the other way around maybe taking a look at that in the future. Any questions or direction on the planning side? >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Thank you Mr. Chair, just kind of focus from the perspective, the intent of these little workshops are for us to not only get an understanding of the operation but also opportunities to see if there are savings or things that we can no longer expand given the uncertainty of what's happening with the taxes in the state of Florida. As I was trying to remember it was a slide titled memberships in east central Florida something something doesn't do and how does it benefit Volusia County. >> RAY TYNER : It was the east Florida East Coast Planning Council that we did research on. It is actually a requirement that we become a member. The clearinghouse, for a reaching of several counties I think we probably have members here that have sat on the board. They have a board that reviews comprehensive plans large-scale, not so much anymore. They do special studies and they do a lot of work for our emergency services. A lot of times they are tasked with updating the emergency management plan, the effectuation studies and those types of services. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Is it a quasi-government agency? >> RAY TYNER : Yes it is, it is the state statute. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: We have no choice. >> RAY TYNER : We have no choice, speeding Mr. Chair if I can add. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I was going to give Jake an opportunity. >> STAFF: Would it explore how others get up.We also looked closely at the direct services we receive from that agency. Their role has changed significantly in the last decade by the state statute. Direct efforts we get from them do not come close to equaling our memberships just to be candid. They do some original work but for most of the products you get from them they charge us an additional fee beyond what our membership is. That's just a fact. I know they increased their budget over the years. I think the best we can do is urge them to keep their budget low and to go more for fee-for-service for those who use them. We will probably use them less moving forward then have in the past. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Can somebody give me an example of the most recent utilization that we utilized specific to Volusia County. >> STAFF: I think the vulnerability assessment the study was done about a year ago was finalized. That is a requirement mandated by the state to be eligible for certain grant opportunities for resiliency and flood protection etc. I believe that is less contractor service. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: If we didn't do that we would have to hire another private agency. >> STAFF: Correct or would have done it in house or that is a strategy better for the future. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: George what a great right hand you have Suzanne is ready with those answers she is ready on the tip of her tongue. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : I currently sit as a Vice Chair because when you are there long enough it is your turn. I think East Central Florida regional planning Council does a great job at regionalizing housing issues we have five counties in the region it is good to collaborate with all of those counties to find out what they are doing what we are not doing if you look at the flavor of some of our neighboring counties they are little bit different than this flavor. It is interesting to hear diverse opinions of the rest of the crew. Boy, what do you say? The counselors, 25 people sitting around the table, it gets pretty diverse. But for me, it is great to hear from different water management districts and things like that. Our county does not choose to use them at the same capacity that some of the other counties use them for. There was a big net zero push which backed the flavor of the Council. Sometimes you are for that, sometimes against that. I think our advantage of being there at that point was I was on that subcommittee I was able to kind of temper what the Council wanted to do. They welcome that diversity of opinion and we can kind of mold what the region is doing. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Can I ask a follow-up, just that portion can ask follow up on that portion when you said the flavor of the councils I said you give a description of something that was policy or something they were looking to do. Do you know of any instances in the past I'm sorry if I'm putting you in the spot that they adopted some type of position as a Council that you think would have been contrary to this body in certain Volusia County. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : No I think they work as dynamically as possible to meet the needs of the region. Via the state and the federal grants if there is a grant for something that is in their wheelhouse, they applied for that grant and got that granted work with the region to execute whatever that grant was for. If it is a diversity of energy, to include nuclear and things of that I appreciate, I want to be part of that conversation. My conversation with the Executive Director all the time, if we don't participate, don't we still gain favor and we are part of the result whether we participate or not. Her comment back was a good comment, but I want you to be part of the solution. I want you to be a player at the table. I think Ray we are at 133 and change for our yearly. >> RAY TYNER : 124. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : 124. I agree with Suzanne that we don't use them for $124,000 but some of our cities have said that they pay little into it also. If you think about some of the cities that are less fortunate in the services that they get from East Central Florida that helps out a lot as well. They said that that is why we pay them in a fit. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Was there an attempt less legislative season you cut this from the budget? >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : There was an attempt to change the weight that they are to change the way they are guided by the state. With that may have come some funding I forget. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Was that last year. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Two years ago. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I don't think there was anything this year okay thank you. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Rate thank you for the information this afternoon and this morning feeling peace give me heartburn was the permit inspection fees do not cover the cost I said before appear I'm not one for doing process then all of a sudden we do a 30, 40, 50% increase in our customers alike small incremental increases to keep up with what we should be doing. I'm not crazy about the taxpayers footing the bill for others that are getting permits and inspections done. I feel I should be able to pay for the applicants. George, that is where I am with that thank you. >> RAY TYNER : If I may, if you look at planning and development I tend to look at it as an investment for the community as well. Most of your municipalities and counties that these permit fees don't quite pay you will get the tax revenues back in the future and exactly, if you are going to raise it to most cyclically depending on the Council incrementally is pretty typical. Any other questions. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Generally I agree with what Mr. Kent just said, I have a question you said you've done I guess last year 276 courtesy reviews. I was really glad to hear that that is important to our citizens that there is a charge for that. >> RAY TYNER : No. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I don't really want there to be Council members. Kent is right, we need to pay and have revenue for services. I'm really kind of glad you're providing that service because they will pay down the road anyway if they move forward. Which brings me to the last question: who are your customers? >> RAY TYNER : Our customers are the citizens, our council members are the developers, and our customers are the applicants. Our customers are in the whole community. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Some of them are homeowners that need permits whatever environmental questions some of them are homebuilders. I don't know if you are the biggest division in the county but you touch that crew sitting behind you and touch everybody in the community sometime. It's a really important division. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Thank you Chairman, Ray, I appreciate all of the information. That you are able to put together I do know we do a lot that is above and beyond. I'm looking at further efficiencies that we can look at in the future. I know we do a lot above and beyond the state and federal law in multiple areas. We talked about it at this Council lacked council and council before that. At some point, it does not have to be anytime soon maybe in the fall or during the budget if we can somehow get a number of what the total cost above and beyond state and federal laws and the local level that would be an interesting temperature look at to see where we can save in departments and positions and bureaucracy, all of the above. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay thank you. >> RAY TYNER : If it is okay will talk about the environmental management. The division. Different activities we have operations water quality protected species, pollution control. Total expenses about $2 billion we do have an internal reimbursement from Public Works to help us about $100,000 for our water quality therapeutic samples. It is related to our MSDS county wide permits. Ginger is our director we have administration again water quality, protected species, and pollution control. Our summary of operations, with water quality simple surface water have 80 locations within the county we also help the Florida Department of environmental protection with inspecting of hazardous or domestic solid waste small quantity generators that we are required to do I think 15- 20% of inspections per year are planning includes the low-impact development. We have a manatee protection program that is based on state law where all the counties are required to have a manatee protection program. We help enforce that. Make sure that everybody is in compliance with that program we do the ReGrow Volusia program in educational outreach for ski do the annual successful annual Saint Johns River cleanup. We do have temporary personnel we have a full-time and a part-time employee. At about $59,000 we do have a membership budgeted for $55,000. $50,000 Of that is for the Indian reverse lagoon council. Part of the overlay district there. Of course we are vehicle replacements and tools and such. Some of our accomplishments attained and managed $2.57 million grant for septic upgrades in Deleon Springs that was excellent and of course on council direction your continuing to try to get grants to help the community as well is our other communities. Inspected 819 businesses that generated hazardous-waste housing chose business to comply with the rules and regulations we hosted at the annual St. Johns River cleanup we had ordered 40 volunteers, collected over 4300 pounds of garbage, and responded to 76 stranded manatee dolphins whales. Again obtaining grants offset the cost we also get a grant from the St. Johns River water management we not to partner with St. John's water sampling we have a pretty decent relationship to a great relationship where we collect samples they pay for the analysis. So it works out. Future challenges, of course the state-mandated water quality improvements. Rules and regulations particularly for the springs are required potential for significant investment and maybe long-term. We talked about those strategies and not here at the Council as well. We will continue to pursue those grant findings that we have been successful in getting the past. Here for any questions on that portion of the environment we have some more environmental slides that we will do. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Just to stay along the same lines I saw membership for the IR L council that a requirement as well. >> RAY TYNER : That is. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I thought it was just because we asked him to educate the public. One other question we attempted a Noah grant before it was rather substantial. Noah Grant was very self hopeful we would have gotten that and Ginger knows why, is something that is offered annually or just every so often I don't think it is annually is it? I took a shot. >> STAFF: No, that particular grant is not something that comes around that often. It is kind of like the moonshot grant we applied for 59 grants we do continue to look at and see what rents are out there that fit in with our mission keeping in mind that grants take a lot of management. Make sure you have the staff. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I appreciate your efforts. You know why that particular grant would've helped out everything all the way down to Indian River County if we applied it so thank you. >> RAY TYNER : Go on to the Environmental Learning Center. We have a total expenses in our budget for 464,000 that is set by the fees and programs that we have at the area. We have 4.5 employees. One is temporary mainly for the summer months to help out. The summary of operations is heavily on the educational programs focusing on the local systems and environmental stewardship. Lots of program school and homeschool groups utilize the facility we have winter and spring and summer breaks and camps. We have scouts and other groups that routinely have activities there. I mention the temporary personnel we have two part-time employees, this is for the weekends. And for the camps specifically. Others are computer replacement, special program cost and supplies for events. The accomplishments we hosted over 15,000 people in exhibit in the gallery he provided 206 public programs with over 2000 people participating. They tended 21 committee outreach events and held 21 events leading up to special people hosted 27 school field trips with a total of 1800 students then we completed echo projects for new exhibits within the facility itself. This is the key. To only have 4.5 employees, is our volunteers and these programs have over 40 active volunteers who donate nearly 5 thousand hours 2.25 FTEs we utilize the contracting staff to help with our workloads I already mentioned that the volunteers is something special that they help the program to continue to go you will be evaluating some challenges you will evaluate In field trip these to help me be supplement opportunity to offset some of those costs. Any questions on this. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Ray, I've seen almost every single person correct me if I'm wrong, just for educating the public in every single category every single department there is more expense and revenue correct. >> RAY TYNER : Yes we are doing good. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay. >> RAY TYNER : I will go into our environmental permitting. We have total expenses of $1.2 million per year and you ring in some revenues with these. I will break those down here. We do have ring revenues in from gopher tortoise review fee is, not every application has a gopher tortoise if you have a site plan and we do a site visit for a tree we will be out there will not charge for gopher tortoise be if we are already out there. Provide some avenue for true permitting wetland alteration permits class to permit little with farming. We have nine FTEs in this group. We have an activity project manager, environmental specialist, and a zoning technician. A summary of operations part of that team is to implement the Comprehensive Plan of Land Development Code are minimum standards chapter 15 chapter 72 which included preproduction wetland protection. Our Indian reverse lagoon overlay zone. Looking for protected species. We had a little discussion earlier when a site plan came in and this group looks at the wetlands. We looked at all of the environmental natural resources work with the developer to make sure they are protected in a reasonable way. We provided courtesy inspections. We implement the regrow blueshift treeplanting program and we also assist with post-disaster assessment. Summary operating expenses we have two full-time employees, of temporary personnel, they do not utilize $92,000 I think last year they utilized a little over half of that amount. What that is depends on workload and those types of things you have those resources there to help and try to get things done. We also have the countywide direct costs, the administration fee, we have Beagle replacement and vehicle maintenance. All of these are the top operating expenses. Our accomplishments is a process of over 13,000 views permits for residential properties. Conducted 482 reviews for non- residential projects including site plans of subdivision and zoning classifications they review that when these applications come in, they assist nearly 30,000 customers in person, by telephone or email. Somebody calls and they want to have information on my tree, or what the plan is. We are there for them. Efficiencies, they recently just replaced multiple pieces of field equipment, tablets to make the process a little bit more efficient. Again using contracted staff we want to make sure our customers are taking care of and being in on workload we may use contracted staff to do such things. Identified and implemented process efficiencies we've been talking about this we will be looking at improving those efficiencies in this group. Performance measures those types of things in the future. When I think about this group it is not just growth resource management. They are professionals along with all of our growth resource management and help and aid other divisions and other departments fire for example, they will utilize us on population growth in those type of things same thing with governmental and public works are doing it public. Our resources are there to help them out internally to make sure that they are complying with the codes. Our future challenges, Senate Bill 180 as you know the tree protection regulation I think you all directed NRAC is on hold because of 180 that kind of hampers code changes for us. Or any other code changes I know are wetland code was done in 1988 but looking at that with 180 and making possible changes to any code, 180 will preempt us from doing that. They will also be part of the disaster management group of looking at post-disaster then maintaining the council member service expectation providing solutions for constraint sites sometimes a lot of good sites are gone you get a lot of upland areas you don't have 100% upland land for development seems like there's going be some sort of it could be isolated wetlands but some of that big upland stop is coming and going any questions or directions on this. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Just a curiosity question you had a picture of a gopher tortoise hole this came up I think recently with a possible development in Pearson, what is the be or if somebody has to move a gopher tortoise someplace else what is the fee for that. >> RAY TYNER : You know what the going rate is now Keith do you know the rate? >> RAY TYNER : >> STAFF: Keith Everson County Forester the is determined by the recipient sites is roughly anywhere from 5500-$6000 to relocate a tortoise you can look at them on site which is what everybody prefers to have the pay that recipient site taking the tortoise we work with a lot of landowners to get them to relocate towards the site and send the money they are happier in habitat that they grew up in. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: That is for gopher tortoises $6000 each. Do you find golfers that do appear before that happens? >> STAFF: Not often. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I am surprised. >> STAFF: Mr. Chair for clarification close or not used to the county do we see them disappear, the beauty of the work that we do we go out on site as soon as somebody applies for a permit and we locate those gopher tortoise burrows if we will be out on the site for true permits like Ray said there is no cost to the owner for this but we locate GPS those gopher tortoise burrows they are less likely to disappear because Mark them we put a flag up north by the property owner there he do sometimes seem people doing bad things is before they applied for a permit then we of course have to take them through Code Enforcement process and they go through the state process for disturbed site and including criminal charges. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: How do you know something happened before we ever got out there speaking sometimes there is evidence we have a site right now where it looks like in large number burrows were dumped into with equipment the evidence is still there that happened sometimes there is no evidence bring you don't know what you don't know somebody very something you don't know it's therapy will never know that. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : I may have missed this. I should probably know this, the County does not have any gopher tortoise hotel areas right now? [Laughter]. >> STAFF: Our resource stewardship department operates a gopher tortoise recipient site exclusively for the use of County projects. If we have a project we have to relocate gopher tortoises they go to our site the not for-profit developers. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : I am not considering for-profit I am considering the gopher tortoises that are included and being part of that saving them is there any areas that we could. >> STAFF: Restore stewardship is look at Volusia Forever properties that we have to identify which ones are appropriate you have diminished specifically for gopher tortoises in those cases there is some strict rules from fish and wildlife, the conservation commission have properties where gopher tortoises live now I know they developed the one site which is so far sufficient for our needs. They are on the lookout. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Is it worth looking into? Speak. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: I think we are we are constantly looking at think it is something we will expand right now the number one priority is for our owner projects there is even concern for our projects do we have enough land ready Nick is charged with that he's working on it. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Do we do administrative interfund charges when we do that like a fire station. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: Sure. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : All right go ahead speaking Nick Dunnam the county has one recipient site and county owned conservation sites it's an F WC permitted side we have the capacity that we have to abide by in annual monitoring the cost to the county is approximately $1100 per tortoise for a County project that reimburses the land judgment program for the cost to maintain the recipient site over time. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: One more question. We are really getting off. You said you preferred to relocate them on the property Tuesday not just go backward you have to put some kind of temporary fencing or something to discourage that. >> STAFF: If there is room on the site to relocate the gopher tortoise inside the expense of the construction area so it cannot come back it wants to go back to its old home prevent the tortoise from doing that was the construction is complete you remove those physical barriers then the gopher tortoise can build a borrow anywhere they want on the property. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay all right, were you done Jake? Okay go ahead Ray. >> RAY TYNER : You all had questions on this one? We will move on to building and the code operations code compliance will the total expenses of $1.25 million our revenues are $160,000 they come in the form of signed permits outdoor entertainment permits. Code Enforcement lot maintenance fees and fines in those type of things. As part of the Code Enforcement it is under building and code administration. Some of the general fees are taken from our building folks, our director and some of our assistants. We have a total of nine FTEs for code compliance. We try to have a code compliance officer in every district as part of the service. As you know we are complaint driven enforcement. Some of our top quality cases are lot maintenance working without a permit on maintaining the property and junkyards only talk about planning. I talked about an investment I think Code Enforcement is maintaining in the community. To keep that good quality of life. We really really tried hard to make sure it is not punitive. We want to work with folks and would continue to do that. We rather than take care of their code kisses rather than go into a code word and we have been pretty successful with that. Our indirect cost was $115,000. Administration fee, service charge, our expenses, maintenance of living and the grounds lot maintenance $49,000. Vehicle replacement legal expenses. Members maintaining some of the lots that we do show in our budget a lot of that will come back hopefully in code liens and some several things some of these costs are passed through. Our accomplishments and efficiencies look at every vehicle we get. We don't need large vehicles anymore. Nick has been doing creative trying to cut costs and downsizing our vehicles. We don't need large vehicles when we do code compliance. We upgraded our laptops. Integrated cameras to eliminate the need for multiple devices. Where they can do with the work in the field. Again I will emphasize improving that voluntary compliance upfront getting folks and officers able to work with folks, and say let's move your trailer be nice let's get them to comply without using force let's improve that voluntary compliance. Future challenges against aging infrastructure population growth, we get a lot of complaints, a lot more warranted by our community once we get a complaint will take a look at it. This was discussed at the last council meeting of the state law had it changed. Body cameras we are looking into next year for this budget cycle to make sure that we have our code officers provided with body cameras to get the procedures and policies in place now. Any questions or direction on Code Enforcement? >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: No you are free to continue. >> RAY TYNER : I will turn over a few slides to Mr. Bartlett. >> BENJAMIN BARTLETT : Little change of pace, Public Works plays a small role in our permitting and development review throughout the county. We work closely with growth and resource management mainly we are focused on infrastructure that the county is going to be either getting in the right of way or maintaining going forward. We have a staff of five people, three inspectors, and engineering assistant who is the intake for the use permits we have a civil engineer to do development review site plan review and traffic engineer review things like that but do we deal in time somebody close to build something in county maintained right-of-way they have to get a permit we have to review what they want to do them inspect what they are doing to make sure they comply with the permit and not put anything in the right-of-way they can be unsafe or something lifting contained in the future that will cost us and inordinate amount of money we also do Development Review look at development within the unincorporated area from a stormwater standpoint as follows general site review and review any structure serving the public many times new development is constructing a protectorate will be maintained by the HOA we still need to review that to make sure it's constructed in accordance with plans and specifications and aggressive doom NPDES inspections of construction sites commensurate there are compliant with maintaining not having illicit discharges on-site at all in the unincorporated areas of the cities will do their inspection for their respective municipalities . from the operating expense is mostly personnel we do have the usual administrative and indirect cost fees that we have vehicle maintenance for our inspectors. Happy to answer any questions you have on that. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Can we go back to the overlying budget first (that one. It seems like a lot of money is that the proper amount is money you need to be using for this. >> BENJAMIN BARTLETT : Yes sir we do get revenue during use permits. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I cannot keep a straight face it is been have to have a little bit of fun good job. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: That was it on the questions. >> RAY TYNER : >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Rate do you know what a NPDES is. >> RAY TYNER : National pollution control.[Unclear Audio] I said that. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: That is not a trick question I had no idea. >> RAY TYNER : The last part of my portion of the presentation is the growth management commission. This is a commission that was established through the charter many years ago. I'm sorry that it has a total expenses of 241 thousand dollars. There is 0.5 part-time operations manager who manages the program the consulting they had to contract planning firms and legal firms. They do it was established by the charter, they coordinate the Volusia group management commission and coordinate large-scale comprehensive plans that come into the community. They serve as a clearinghouse. They have a board that reviews these and they may make recommendations. It is more of a clearinghouse for potential conflict resolution if two communities are conflicting with the comp plan they are there to try to help resolve that. We have on the board we have got the unincorporated citizens. I think there are five on the board of the cities each get one person on the board. The school board representative in the water management District is also represented as well. The operating expenses, most of it is contracted services. Last year there was $100,000 put into the budget. In anticipation of legal challenges that did not occur some it should be a lot less prone they are renting out building on Beachside at about $5000 spread travel and legal ads. Any questions and no there is a member of a consultant who is here - the growth management commission on here for any questions that I may be able to answer. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Yes sir we have seen many cities that are having cross jurisdictional issues. Ormond Beach – Daytona come to mind with a water issue and a few others, maybe Edgewater and New Smyrna Deering Park. I am not sure how much interaction they have on issues like that? Do they resolve the issues, not that I blame the newspaper when you read the article never says VGMC 's proposed I'm just curious. >> RAY TYNER : Mr. Johansson I do have Chris Doctor here he may be able to provide some of that information. >> STAFF: I'm the VGMC planner I'm with inspire place making collective prey to answer your question it is not often that we have issues between jurisdictions but they do come up sometimes they come up when they are not reviewing the case we state take a look at this amendment because this is potentially going to cause issues down the road for you as a jurisdiction in the case of Ormond Beach and Daytona Beach we determined our review of that particular case that Daytona Beach was doing what they were supposed be doing they were updating their water supply plan. Part of their service area overlaps with Ormond Beach Ormond Beach took issue with that. They already had an agreement in place for that particular situation. Everything else that we looked at from a comp plan standpoint was aboveboard that did result in a lawsuit that judgment was found in favor of the VGMC. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Does the VGMC actively look at these plans or are you more passive and waiting for people to submit issues to you all for consideration? >> STAFF: We are active in our review. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Thank you. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Confusion Mr. Chair again the whole purpose of these hearings is to find efficiencies from government spending specific thrusters VGMC my colleagues know I've been very critical of it not from the individuals cultic is personal it's a self-imposed thing done in the county I don't know of any other county that do it. I may be wrong. It is $241,000. What number was it somewhere around there. Unnecessary cost I know it's in the charter talk to staff about that but I think we are serious about looking at our spending its an unnecessary layer that we have on the own government if we cannot get rid of it and I think as we go into this budget season nutrient as much is possible to steal be in compliance with the charter requirements because it is in their our staff is very competent and capable of finding out if developments are contrary to our views things like that and we can act accordingly need the extra layer of government I just want to put that on the record thank you Mr. Chair. >> RAY TYNER : That's it with the presentation. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Thought you were going to say I agree with you I'm joking. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay thank you very much. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Everything you said was great today. I did not chime in individually because I wanted to wait till the end. I think most of what I have to say is general. In nature. I think what you're trying to do is going to get me where I want you to go. I want to make it known to the public. I think we need to get to 100% cost recovery. I know that is going to potentially raise the cost of a home or permitting, but we have to figure that out. There is a couple of ways to do that. Increase the fees or become more efficient. I think with Amanda coming up for review and possibly going out to bid for either renewal or better project if there is one out there that there are opportunities. I think there are opportunities for some type of ERP that does little of everything you talked about today. I don't know if that exists. You are the one that goes to those conferences and figures it out. I would love to see that efficiency and automation printed a note George our IT department is doing some type of experimentation. You're dabbling in AI. I think there is money to be made here if you can protect us from Hal 2000 coming to take control of our county. I think there's plenty of opportunities for you there. I would like to see every way we can to get a hundred percent cost recovery, find out and make sure that our contracts for external, whatever we are contracting for is the best way forward. Very seldom does in-house business now save money because you have to pay the government part of it. Just keep working to invest in automation. If not to reduce the pressure from the staff but to get more people doing that, humans think that they have to spend less time doing the stuff that we can automate. With that I think you can find even more efficiencies brought in the next few years. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: I want to commend Ray and his team because they have been constantly working. We have had studies, we have had our own in-house work and reviews will continue along those lines. Sometimes we find ourselves splitting hairs. There are areas where we try to do council member service. As mentioned we try to be friendly when people come in and ask questions. Because we see such a wide variety of customers. Yes we have a big devotionals to come in and deal with that but we also many times have mom and pop and they just want to split their property or again the staff works really hard to accommodate both areas. And to that point try to exercise some discretion when you get into the fees in the building ease and inspection fees, do we fit them every time when we go back out and look at something? Not necessarily! If people are working and trying to be honest about it and work hard, there is some discretion. You will see more about that coming up in the future. Again trying to split the hair between being very council member service probably also to your point we do want to be hundred percent cost recovery. I want to say in the building area we are there. It's in the planning and zoning area where we are not yet . Of course that is a little bit more difficult but we are working at that part. We are therapy comes to the building fees in that particular area. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much, staff. Lisa Lewis, have you enjoyed your morning. That brings us to the Item you've been waiting for all day Item number eight Item 08 Appointment of Frank Bruno as substitute member of the Volusia County Canvassing Board for all elections to be held in 2026. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Thank you chair I'd like to make a motion for reappointment of Mr. Bernal to serve on behalf of the Council elections to be held. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : I second the motion. any questions. Any questions for Lisa, she's been here all day. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Does he do a good job Lisa. [Laughter] >> STAFF: Good afternoon. I just want to say thank you for reappointing you haven't voted yet but hopefully reappointing Mr. Bernal he does bring balance to her missing board I've explained that before he does leave it or not enjoyed it. He has been doing it for several years back when he was on the Council since he's been off he is assisted. We appreciate him and we appreciate each of you all. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you, we appreciate you, you have a big job. You do it well. Let's see if he gets approved all in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed he is reappointed unanimously thank you very much. >> STAFF: I'm sure I will see you throughout the year. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I was going to volunteer for the last agenda item. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Motion to approve Councilman Robins Deep Creek Preserve Management Plan Advisory Group. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I second the motion all in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed you are pointing to that brings us to Public Participation there not being any, let's see if we can read the name this time. John Mickelson. It looks like Jim T Mickelson. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: I was a doctor in the past life John Mickelson on the beach side couple of things and know you want to get rid of the arts and culture from the general fund, again I want to ask you to put on the ballot in November the idea of putting the arts and culture into the ECHO Funding because what's the use of having these buildings. We did brick-and-mortar to be used. As things have changed we are looking at budget cuts. We want these buildings used and we want them used by the young kids by the elderly and the poor etc. etc. This is a proper use of the funding and asked them all they have to do is put it on the ballot and ask them. Secondly, pay attention to the money the state is doing these audits all around adjusted one from Flagler if you look at the paper reported I think they are targeting with the idea they want to say. There is too much money in the budget therefore lower the taxes. If they do that for the other three that I looked at they will do it to us. Be aware of what they are saying; they are just not looking close enough into why things are in the budget. They are just assuming like our councilperson and our meeting that she looked at the 15 TVs and automatically assumed they were luxury items for the fire fighters rather than computer-driven. Also the CRA visualizes driving over any of our bridges onto the beach side. You'll notice there are seven large holdings on the north half of our CRA, on the south there are none. None of the buildings since this CRA went in 40 years ago. Why? Because Jim Chisholm did not want them secondly you took all the CRA representatives from the county. If the county had been there for funding we found out would not happen. The county would have looked at it. I'm asking you again and no it's an appointment by the city, if you don't ask you don't get. I'm asking you to take a look at it please. Main Street will be remodeled there looking at it carefully you own it, if they screw it up which they are planning on doing we all lose. Remember how valuable tourism is. They are planning on making two lanes from the currents there showing so there are no turn lanes at Peninsula for Halifax. They will back you up if you do not want that act up to the other side of the river or to Ridgewood thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for your comments, county manager. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: Have nothing today. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: Just to brief items, I would like the authority to proceed with possibly filing suit if necessary we have an agreement that the Council entered into with proto-group Inc. it operates as Daytona Grande oceanfront hotel. We recently performed 13,988 dollars of work they are responsible for. In our position we entered into an agreement that would allow the proto-group to place instruments and structures in the exchange for maintaining the approach we would like to ask for the authority to enforce that contract that the Council approved. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay hope you get that motion in second and approval. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I will make that motion. I'm very familiar with that property. There is a hotel owner who reached out to me and started asking the same questions. I will make that motion. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I second the motion 's. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Opposed, you get the approval of the Council unanimously. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: One other Item I would like your approval to bring back an agenda Item to you I sent you an email one of the things that came out of this legislative session was really hefty increase to our sovereign immunity caps which right now art $200,000 per person if signed by the governor that will result in a 75% increase about $350,000 I would assume other local governments are in the same position that they are looking at what is the authority of the manager to resolve before litigation or if litigation is filed like to bring back an admin spring that online, to really get us ready for that change in the sovereign immunity CIP takes effect in November. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I make a motion to approve. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: When would you bring it back. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: It will be one month. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Whatever your timeframe needs to be. Any questions for the County Attorney? All in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed? 7/0 nothing else while you're getting 1000? >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: No will stop while I'm ahead thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Then will go to council closing remarks. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Thank you chairman just a couple just one thing I like to talk about, well I was surfing Facebook, I found a good ad where a company step has to deal with HOA accountability I know him HOA's have been a hot topic prince in my travels here the last six years throughout the county and in my district being it's a coastal district I realized or come to realize that that people have accepted some level of growth even though we don't have a whole lot of it in unincorporated Volusia County because in front of us we do see annexations static control by the statute engrossed in the cities. I have a couple of videos here I'd like to show if they work. Pretty much the purpose of this my ideas behind it is may be giving staff direction to see what we can do to show our residents that there is little bit more checks and balances or the HOA supporter us work that come into unincorporated county that they are keeping up with their storm water minutes that it will not affect any neighboring properties or residents. That is primarily what I'm hearing is the acceptance of it by people who understand property rights. People understand they can not do anything or build. When it does happen, are we doing it? Are there some long-term checks and balances? Our soft the last 30 seconds may be the first to then the last one on that list clocks for the original stormwater finance agreement for one developer was supposed to handle when the community was built 15 or 20 years ago, nobody can find it give a bigger problem than a missing document here is what that missing agreement actually means when the developer built your community they install stormwater infrastructure to get their permits ponds and pipes and outfalls during systems all designed to manage runoff and meet county requirements. When he headed the committee over to the HOA they were supposed to be a maintenance agreement transferred with it a document that spells out exactly what the HOA is responsible for maintaining and helping if that agreement is missing, you're flying blind you don't know what is your responsibility versus the county you don't know what minutes protocols were supposed to be followed you don't know what condition those systems were in when the handover happened now the city is asking for which usually means they are preparing to inspect or they already find a problem somewhere in the watershed they are working to your property. Either way you need to know what you're dealing with, not what was on paper 15 years ago. What is actually happening on the ground today for our stormwater compliance assessment is that Prince inspect every system document current conditions identifies deficiencies, and give you a prioritized roadmap in the city. And they will have all of the current professional documentation that shows your taking this seriously. You'll land on a page explains a full assessment dropper and fall on the floor we will reach out to talk about your community what the city. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: May be the last one. >> Industry recommendation is to allocate 12-35% of your annual HOA budget retention pond maintenance in your community. less than 2% now understand why everything feels like it is falling apart because it is. Slowly, the math does not lie prone. Here's what happens when you underfund stormwater payments by 90% or more or a decade. The sentiment is often that nobody charges if outfalls are clogged, nobody claims that the banks erode, nobody stabilizes them and the vegetation overgrowth. Nobody manages it. In each year the cost to fix all of it goes upward deferred maintenance does not stay flat. It compounds what would've been a $30,000 cleaning five years ago is now $175,000 full pond dredging what would've been a $10,000 bank or parent now a. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Council at the end of the day I'm looking at possibly maybe some of these HOA's to hold them accountable long-term I don't know of a policy that exists here locally because there is lot to do is put state statute of what we can do with HOA's. Do you guys alert me to hearing from everybody? Do you mind if we give staff direction or maybe some additional info to help. I know any info would be better than no info but would help some of my residents out but also, it may let the Folke living these HOA's get on your HOA if they are missing allocating money. Not putting it in or possibly needs to go. I'm interested to hear what my colleagues have said. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Can you clarify your request. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: To send this over to the staff to see if there's anything that we can possibly do at the local level that is not in conflict with the state statute in terms of HOA accountability to the stormwater systems. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I don't have a problem with it. I support that information is good. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I think that's a great quest. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : I do as well. I would like to ask George, what do we do now to hold HOA accountable for how much is spent but the outcome. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: Right now most of our work is done up front. This is an interesting topic and I love to have the staff dive into it. I do think that over time this is probably a problem. We are not really equipped right now. We depend a lot on the HOA . It is very similar to what you run into with the condo issues of not taking care of the buildings and stuff. Then it becomes a public (this one here because of how it is tied into other stormwater systems I definitely see it as something you should look into. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Councilman Robins, would you make this time uncertain to give staff. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: George it will probably take a little bit within the next couple of months. We'll wrap it up with this. I think what I would like about this most if we can even do anything. It can be done by third-party. We will not increase the government on our side. It is something that may end up being a requirement by the HOA to follow these rules. Or have this kind of stopper I'm eager to see it may help us out. Thank you. That's all it got. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. He made a motion. who was the second. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Opposed. Very good for you. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Thank you Mr. Chairman only to share an interesting experience my wife and I had just got back from our vacation. One of the stops we made was to visit the beaches of Normandy. Beach in those places. It's a real eye-opener the experience a lot of these young men went through there. It is kind of scary. Try putting myself in that place of being told to either storm 100 foot walls, climb up the ropes and dig into parts of it where these two or 300 yard beaches received the parkers were shooting them down. Learning something else interesting here is a cemetery, which houses the American soldiers. I think there are 9000 of them that are buried there so we visit the Normandy Cemetery, where a Volusia County resident is buried there. I just wanted to share his name a little bit about him. We visited the site where he's buried. It is a private Martin J Cody he was part of the hundred 15th infantry Regiment 29th infantry division. His hometown was Deland Volusia County he was killed on July 10, 1944 during a fierce hedge row fighting near Saint Lo France it was interesting I learned a bit about the hedge row fighting these hedge rows were separating a lot of these farms there were these fake hedgerows that you cannot see through some of the stories that was shared with us you can just within a few feet of the enemy and not know it. I just wanted to recognize this private from Volusia County that got the opportunity to visit the burial site. Amazing visit thank you Mr. Chair. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: I have nothing I will supplement that you member the book to get out when the veterans were here as a reminder I would imagine his netbook is dedicated to all the Volusia County residents who were killed in action in World War II just as a reminder the majority of the streets surround Halifax hospital were named after Volusia County residents killed in action in World War II. There is a book loading ramp at the veterans. I forget his name anyway. If you get a chance to look at the book it is very humbling. It makes you appreciate what these Volusia County people are all dead. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: It's interesting I'm still jetlagged from that I was up at 2 AM the other night I cannot sleep I went to YouTube I watching the day stuff for last eight hours in the middle of the night it's amazing experiencing the bravery. Thank you for sharing that. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE : Thank you sir comment was made during public comments about core values. I think we all agree on what our core values for it might've been a quick decision but the chairman made some good points. The state has been going around and telling everybody that they are overspending. I think those assessments have to be tempered with what our local public wants to spend money on. Not everybody is interested in spending money on one thing or another. We have a frequent-flier that sends us emails about what he wants to spend money on and we do not. We have 70% of the public that wants to spend money on Volusia Forever and therefore there is like 27% that does not or didn't care to vote for it. There is a kind of I dichotomy between what the CFO thinks ought to be spent and what the local public thinks ought to be spent in some cases. When it comes to non-mandatory spending I think the public should have a lot of say in that. When it comes to core values one of our missions is quality of life for Volusia County. We frequently hear on the Council that we get frustrated because people say I knew nothing about that. Then you look at George and say to George how they know nothing about it and can associate with the 80 million ways to get the information out. Radio, TV, every website that we own. And all of the stuff and like we tried. The little yellow signs against the road that you cannot read so he ups the font. It's always something. I think the public education in the cities and counties universities or academies are well worth our time. It is just like the folks that are still out here sitting in the Council Meeting learning about what we are doing. Pretty folks with the blue shirts could have left a long time ago. But here they are learning a little about the trials and tribulations of the Council meeting. That is part of their education. They will go home and go, you are right, they do that or no no me tell you what I saw notice of the Council meeting. I think an informed and informed public is well worth our time and well worth our effort. I do believe that public education is a core value. Secondly I kind of mentioned that I wanted staff to make sure they were talking to each other. Most of you know I come from 35 years in the Navy and with that comes a chain of command. That's a hard thing to shake. I firmly believe there is a chain of command. One of the things that we lived in the military is you don't jump the chain. You don't go to the general and the admiral before you go talk to the lieutenant and the captain. I want to make sure in all instances that our troops and our workers and our staff are accessing their leadership to get the answers to questions before they come to us and try to put something out there. I will say that when a member of our staff is bringing up something I don't want to call a whistleblower but brings up a concern and that concern is not addressed at all dressed properly in public for that matter, and has every right to come up here and talk to us. If the person is still concerned then absolutely they have every right to come up here and chat with us about that. It is not a slam you George just kind of a thing about how I think about chain of command. I want to make sure that everything is being resolved at the lowest issue. If at that time it still needs to be brought up for public awareness, I'm all for it. That is where I stand on those two issues. I believe that's all I have, thank you. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: Just really quickly I agree hundred percent I worked with the chain of command issue half of our organization is in a paramilitary type structure. To your point I do encourage that also as you say the generals and the colonels and whatever to go the opposite direction and push that information down it's a challenge it can be a challenge particularly something like a fire department would have 20 stations and they work three distinct shifts. In order to push it down. It does get to be a little bit of a justice challenge but we will continue to work on that to make sure that they always have access and again I push to get that information in the other direction to try to eliminate some of those questions. I think today I'm sorry it took up time but I'm glad the discussion occurred. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Thank you chairman. I just like it when I miss a meeting and did miss the last meeting before it ran late. We didn't have time for comments. I have just a couple of brief comments here. My first one is John Nicholson. Two minutes ago I would let you know your MIA. You were not here. None of us knew why. I asked staff to do a wellness check on you to make sure that you're okay with bicycle week. Maybe you were busy, I don't know. I just want you to know you're not here and you were missed. Next, I see Michael Ryan is still here. I have not had an opportunity to speak about this, since our state of the County address. The state of the County address was executed exceptionally well. Mr. Ryan you and your team did yeoman's job and also I wanted to publicly compliment Terri and Miriam Terri and Miriam to make sure everything on our end worked seamlessly they were there for days I heard. Well beyond their contracted hours. I just want to thank them for doing that as well. Lynn Sanders in the house Lynn you know when a rancid as council seat one of my top three goals was to bring concerts and venues back to the ocean center. You have been making things happen at the ocean center under your very competent leadership so thank you for what you're doing there as well. Gentlemen's on a Sunday May 31 the County of Volusia has partnered with Daytona dog Beach.[Listing Names] and her group there will be a dog surfing competition in front of the Hard Rock Hotel, Dave asked me to be one of the judges. I'm gladly going to do that. If you have nothing going on or even if you have something going on, clear your calendar, come down and watch some dogs serve tissue to take place every year in Flagler County. It brought thousands of people to the beach and is going to bring thousands of people down for this event. As well I want to make sure here is the deal. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: You used to be a surfer. you showed them how to surf. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: We missed Daisy who is the favorite and bad boy to Dudley. I think the bad boy will have an appearance. Heather Kent will come down with the dogs at some point I'm sure. She had a picture of the County written up there. This is a really cool thing I wanted to share with you . I want to thank you gentlemen because you approved this proclamation for Geneva Jackson, all about three weeks ago turned 100 years old, Geneva was mine and hundreds if not thousands of other young kids are teachers at Osceola Elementary. She also taught at the Rigby center for the girls which was an all-black school for girls. In Ormond Beach back in the day. But Geneva Jackson is such a sweet kind woman with a loving heart and a kind of soul and or a guy who could not draw anything but a stick figure, she would put her hand on top of my hand, using pastel crayons and come up with a masterpiece and I would go home at six, seven, eight years old and give this to my mother and my mother laid along that you thought I drew it. It was always Mrs. Jackson that did that bridge she was just full of fire and kindness and love. I invited her to my wedding 20 years ago, and she showed up. She danced with me. She got in my ear and she said and left you a gift on your front porch. And to this day she comes over to my house the front of my house because I have a green thumb but she really has a green thumb. She has 10 green thumbs compared to my one. She left me up on my front porch. That bird of paradise 20 years later is still thriving because of Jackson. Also I wanted you to see this picture because Mrs. Jackson turned 100 and she loved it and I came into work today and I have in my hand a letter from her daughter who is over 70 years old, just thanking me for doing that and sharing that story, I will tell you how these things touch people I went to the memorial of Jesus death the other evening with my father and sister, and a woman sitting in front of us turned around she said I just saw you at a birthday party, I thought my kids are not quite 20 years old and not gone to kids birthday party she said I was serving some of the food at Ms. Jackson's 100 birthday celebration, and your story about her giving you that plant in helping you draw with putting her hand atop yours this woman knew what I said, she was listening to it, obviously, at the event thanks for popping up that picture and cancel thank you for letting me have a couple of minutes of personal privilege. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: What was the location of the picture? >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: At the Palmetto club in Daytona Beach not far from Bethsaida Charterhouse. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: If I may just two seconds I forgot to bring up during my time edge water is looking to fund a part of their dock project in the city of Edgewater I just need to make a request for council consideration for the staff to work with the city on their application to use some port district grant funds that are available. That is my motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Motion to find the funds. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Court district and funds. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: And he opposed permission granted. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I don't have much. The only thing I want to point out I think was last week was a week before there was the innovation challenge that was over at the ocean center thank you Lynn by the way. The competition I unfortunately couldn't make it last year but this year I heard it has expanded even more. Kudos to Bill Paris and the rest of the economic development team as well as Connie, who put that on. Anyway there were two individuals that I had met prior to at the team Volusia event. I was talking to the young lady she was here today for a while, Amelia, have you met the Chair? Amelia is a dual major at.[Listing Names] she is 19 years later or her major are engineering physics and space physics. She started to tell me about their project that they were entering into the innovation challenge, stopped her a few minutes into it and said let me stop, you lost me at hello. Unbelievably we have some incredibly smart kids that are here in this community. What really pleased me when individuals I was speaking with at the event and prior to their plan was not to leave here. Which is always been a goal I think is everybody up here you want to see them graduate take their diploma across the stage and stay in Volusia County a thing to of the past winners of the innovation challenge of done that they stayed in Volusia County and they opted to stay here in Volusia County. That's a testament to what great job you're doing and Lou and his folks are doing. Amelia Nathan started this project called.[Listing Names] they did when the best of category. [Listing Names] has a.[Listing Names] I'm had to write this down to remember this what is capable of doing in by a tube from Office Depot one of these document tubes make your bucket out of it the rocket enthusiast we talked about little bit about the airplane enthusiast small airplanes today. These market enthusiasts that are growing can capture information about flight data, air temperature and all kinds of stuff that can be used for bigger projects. I commend them and I encourage him to continue to explore that opportunity and will I condemn that type of technology. Also in relation to the dog surfing contest I will be judging the costumes I will be there with you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Who is wearing a costume the dogs or the owners? >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: The dogs not the owners. I'm not sure what we are voting on and am looking forward to that as well. I would go to see Troy surf. I heard he was quite the surfer. Any way that being said that's all I have. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. r just a couple of quick things we really on one topic we brought up a few meetings ago the potential charter amendment for banning potable reuse water two weeks ago the city of Daytona Beach passed that unanimously. Last night I went to the Edgewater city commission meeting, stayed past both an ordinance to ban it immediately and placed eight charter amendments on their November ballot. We had the vote here, it failed 4/3. I'll bring it up because I want to ask just to remind any of the four people that voted against it that you can always bring it back and put it back on the agenda to re-vote on that. Just putting that thought in your mind. With that said 12:57 PM we are adjourned.