>> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay Malcolm you will call April 21, 2026 Volusia County Council meeting to order at 4:01 PM in just a minute I will ask you to stand and we will begin the meeting with an invocation and then the Pledge of Allegiance if you are a member of a faith group would like to participate in the invocations please just send an email all groups are welcome send an email to K green @Volusia .org she will get you all set up. This morning we are fortunate to have Reverend Danny Baxter he is pastor of Senior adults at Stetson Baptist Church in DeLand >> It's good to be with you today. Let's pray together. Father God we love you thank you for the privilege of knowing you and having the opportunity to have a relationship with you father as we gather this afternoon we pray for your blessings pray for your wisdom and knowledge would you give us the words to speak and father met every word that is spoken today be edifying and father please continue thank you for these men and women as they gather here today prays that you would bless them and their families and father bless our community and father would look forward to what you're going to do innocent proofs in the days to come in Jesus name we pray amen. "I Pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.".[Laughter]. [Unclear Audio]. [Unclear Audio]. [Laughter] Karissa, will you call the roll. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Here. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: Here. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: Here. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Here. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Here. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Here. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Here okay we have a quorum a full house. Welcome to everyone here, we start our meeting hearing from you with the public. You will have when I call your names you will have three minutes to come forward and talk about anything that pertains to Volusia County, something we might be able to work on in the future or we need to know about. Please make sure you have a microphone close to your mouth so everyone can hear you here and unwind. There is a button on the left-hand side of the podium that will make it go up and down if you need that. There is always someone to help you. Please stick to 30 minutes. We have more than one hour's worth of people who want to speak. This part of our Public Participation is limited to one hour. If you can do it in less than 30 minutes you will reserve time for somebody else first up is Dan Albert. Then Gary Singleton and following Gary will be John Nicholson if you want to get ready. To save some time. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good afternoon governing body Jan Albert Country Cir., East Port Orange hydrologists and appraiser for 54 years. Continuing the discussion on the proposed Creek Crossing. Over the half a century of qualified as an expert witness on many eminent domain cases. Hundreds of them across the US, Canada and Western Europe. Very familiar with what is required and why it does not apply in this case. With the planners they want to pass this without a bridge plan in place. That is dangerous because you need to note the total cost and the total number of properties that are going to have inverse condemnation. But in addition, you will end up with basically a backdoor tax because it's not possible. I've gotten estimates run 15 million+. You cannot use a community development District or HOH to pay for something like that. The county is going to end up with the interinfrastructure then the damage that is done with the trees and not following House Bill 403 you will have major flooding possibly. That will damage all of the infrastructure east of 415. It will be quite a tax increase for all the citizens of Volusia. You're just paying 403,000 for a basin study which you will wipe it out in one fell swoop. We are trying to fight the citizens of southeast Volusia who do not want to see the destruction of our entire environment there. Not following the land use plan. We're going to have two people fighting. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for your comments Gary Singleton followed by John Nicholson followed by.[Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: My name is Gary Singleton I'm a resident of Volusia County. We the citizens of Volusia County: every member of this council to honor your sworn oath which is to protect and secure our copyrights and our quality of life. To protect the single largest financial investments most of us will ever make. To protect us from the self-indulgent greed of one individual and one corporate homebuilder. In order to change the anti-citizen culture of this Volusia County government all you need to do is your sworn duty to serve the citizens of Volusia County. And execute your moral obligation to protect your constituents. To do these things all you and your staff need to do is simply to honor the Tomoka Farms village local plan that wrote this letter and intent to enforce chapter D to protect the surrounding communities from flooding and enforce chapter 72 to protect the replaceable natural resource and flood control system. Apply with the Port Orange order settlement agreement of 2005, enforce compliance with the outstanding Florida water administrative code. Obey Florida statute 403.0814 and most importantly obliged the applicant to comply with every requirement of a conservation subdivision no waivers no special interpretations no passes. Neither you nor your staff has the legal right to dismantle guardrails created to protect the surrounding communities so that the path is cleared for a single individual and a single corporate builder to exploit an irreplaceable environmental resource for financial gain. Neither you nor your staff has a legal right to approve the destruction of an essential component of this natural stormwater system system for which tens of thousands of Volusia County citizens depend on to prevent the flooding of their homes. The right to degrade the quality of life and property values of existing neighborhoods. Or the right to nullify the hard earned protections of the Tomoka Farms village local plan. The only reason the government exists is to serve and protect its citizens. All of the aforementioned loss ordinances codes and plans other tools government officials used to serve and protect their citizens. Both this council and your staff are obliged to stand with us the citizens of Volusia County, not against us forcing us to fight for what is rightfully ours. [Applause]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: John Nicholson. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Did you want to speak at the end or the beginning? I have a notice at the beginning. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: John Nicholson Daytona Beach a couple of things I've asked several times for what the court responsibilities you believe to be the court responsibilities. You agree to have that duplicated so I could see it was discussed at that meeting. When I find that I would let the public know. Secondly at a CRA meeting it was brought up that they were going to do away with property on the beachside which is a different CRA. I helped with one of their projects. I found out it's the second time that's given away on the beachside. I asked the city attorney and he turned and says, okay as long as they give it away for free they can give away all of your property. I'm sorry! Normally, after CRA votes on what they want to do with their CRA. It has not been brought up in any of the CRA meetings on the beachside; they don't know that their properties are being underway. I've asked several times for one of you guys to be on the CRA because it affects you guys as well. The health of the beachside is an economic engine. The more you disarm that and you drive it down into the dust, the worse it's going to be for you guys. I'm asking you to again look into this, and make sure that you put somebody on the board. I understand they have to put somebody on the board for you. But if you request it they would be really hard up not to give you what you want. You were on the board for 30 years, you deserve to go back on the board. A new system here CEF a bunch of squares then you explain that to the public I don't know what you did. I note they don't. If you look at your attendance, under C and E and there's about 25 squares with two or three letters in it, what does that stand for? The public likes to know I believe. Lastly there is some paperwork that you will have that I passed out with the gentleman that owns the Dolphins, he has property in Palm Beach. 20 years ago he built a huge project or project took off slowly. Now it is full and is putting another $10 billion into another object to read the article and try to look at where we are at, that is where we are in the next 20 years. Take a look and read it and understand what they are talking about. Because we need to do things like he is saying if you need to twitch a little bit like the idea of having two kitchens is against the law and Daytona Beach has two kitchens in a single unit. If you are Jewish and Hasidic Jewish person you need kitchens because of religious purposes. I can understand changing our laws because we don't want duplexes is the reason why after Jewish people they needed them. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: [Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: All right.[Listing Names] with the Florida Forest Service. Good afternoon council and members of the public the Florida Forest Service would like to invite all to an upcoming public hearings workshop that will be held to discuss and review the lake George State Forest tenure resource management plan. The public meeting will be held June 4 at 10:30 AM. At that DeLeon forestry station which is located off US Highway 17 in Deleon Springs all are welcome to attend this meeting and are encouraged to provide comments regarding the lake George State Forest tenure management plan. The designated late George management plan advisory group committee and then meet at 1 PM on this date to review comments from the public hearing and provide recommendations to the Florida Forest Service to help in preparation of the management plan. If you are interested in and unable to attend on this day to the public hearing comments may be submitted to this Deleon Springs forestry station or email to Florida first service staff Emily Marsh at Emily.marsh at.[Listing Names] again that is.[Listing Names] do have copies of the notice if any party here is interested in that public hearing. Thank you for your time. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Would you please hand one tour Clark and also hand one to Michael Ryan in the back if you can raise your hand so we can get it on our webpage. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Absolutely. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for coming in. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good afternoon my name is.[Listing Names] I live in Crest wind 11 back at the last meeting Councilman Santiago raised the irony, Lake residents opposing the development of residential Crest wind blown? And pointed out now here we are opposing the development of an industrial truck was a. This is how I took it. If I'm wrong please correct me. I appreciate that we are proposing a truck closet in FEMA flood zone X floodplain next to sensitive wetlands and adjacent forest reserve parcels. I want to thank you for bringing this to our attention so we can discuss our perspective. Some I think our objections are NIMBYs and it is not. It's about appropriate land use. It's about suitability. How about compatibility online with the Comprehensive Plan. FDOT completed a truck study in 2020 and in that plan they recognized the need for truck parking. We recognize that need also as a matter fact I have family members who are truckers. We do recognize that need. FDOT has planned 540 trucking spots 10 miles east of where this proposed development is. What FDOT did not recognize is that there is a need in this exact location. They identified other areas. They also identified he was not suitable next to retirement homes which is what we are, a residential area, or a major flood zone . it's like a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. Just because there is a need does not mean that it fits. We are not opposed to development that is why it is not in India's there's a lot of potential development that is appropriately compatible going up around us. We are not opposed to that. We have not spoken at any meetings about that. I'd like to think we are good neighbors. But we are objecting to traffic congestion, emergency response times and significant environmental issues including water mitigation drainage -nocturnes and unproven development of designs that will impact residential flooding, water flow and destruction of natural wetlands. You discussed these issues and the importance of these previous meetings as a matter of fact in January 2025, Councilman Robins US asked the staff about the development and floodplains. The response was the number one goal was to not have development and floodplains according to the Comprehensive Plan. We are merely echoing the reports we read in the sentiments of county experts in asking the question what is the rationale to place a truck plaza in an environmentally sensitive area. There are many other areas that can meet that need. Thank you so much. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you.[Applause]. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Thank you. My name is.[Listing Names] I'm a resident of Ormond Beach since 1991. I'm a member of the Prince of peace Catholic Church chairman of the facilities committee and member of the finance Council. I'm also project manager for the construction of our late new shop on Hand Avenue. We've been at that location for 11 years. I'm here to talk about the closure of our entrance from Hand Avenue going east toward Nova Road. When we started planning for a new store we had to solicit input from our neighbors and businesses and hear their concerns. We held open meetings for local residents then asked the city of Ormond Beach for approval. We were not given any notice that our entrance on the west would be closed until the Meridian closed it. I made numerous calls to members of our county offices involved in the streets and roads and received a call back last week from the County engineer.[Listing Names] that we met for safety we were cut off from a left turn going just on Hand Avenue. When I questioned him, he's a people can make a U-turn at the Wellington station entrance. When we came south from there I asked him if there was an appeal process and he said, no. I'm here with our pastor father Dustin and Betty White member of our parish council. Will speak to you. You're asking for reconsideration of an entrance from the West on Hand Avenue to relate new shop recently turbine changes because of public outcry specifically on a 18 in Daytona Beach which received general noncoverage in our city Ormond Beach our mayor confessed to hitting one of the new curbs when parking spaces on Granada were changed. They were changed again. Also to walk across Granada by Roosevelt, I'm not a traffic engineer but here are some suggestions for consideration. One, remove the Meridian from the front of our property just to the end of the model home's entrance allowing a turn in either direction. This is been done on US one South Daytona another five lane busy street and saw traffic lane for another entrance to the property by the retention pond or East vote Wellington station. I'm sure other places this has happened around the state that you can look into. Thank you so much for your time. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for your comments Betty White you will be followed by Justin.[Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good afternoon councilmembers my name is Betty White. I'm a member of the Prince of Peace Catholic Church in Ormond Beach. I currently serve in the parish council. Our parish has gone into a large sprawling community where activities take place everyday. Noon church service 2000 registered families we have a social hall food pantry light new thrift store adoration chapel in the recent addition of a large outdoor meditation garden current or open to the public road I like new thrift shop and adoration chapel both front Hand Avenue I cannot tell you where other people use Hand Avenue or Nova the growth must would tell you they probably come from the West. Even though the numbers I'm going to give you don't take into account the food pantry clients that might ride together, walk, bicycle or take a bus to the food pantry. The food pantry alone served over 10 thousand 10,081 families last year. Year to date we have served 2903 if that continues we will serve 11 thousand 612 this year. The food pantry is funded totally by the delight new shop. Light New shop had over 35,000 sales last year. We also have 25 outside groups meeting weekly or monthly. It's not just the parishioners unmasking for unmasking for the larger community. My concern is if there is only one thing to think about to date these think about the emergency responders and not knowing which way they might want to enter they may have to go past the area of where they are needed at the late new shop and up to Hand Avenue encounter a signal light turn on Nova Road go down to division encounter another single light and turn into the parking lot and wiped away back to where they are needed Hand Avenue. Is this the result we want? It's not about being inconvenient, it's about limiting access to the property. I ask you to reconsider the islands while the equipment is still in the area. Please don't let there be an accident or death because emergency responders were delayed reaching someone in time. Thank you for your attention and many hours of service to the citizens of Volusia County. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you very much for your comments. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good afternoon council members and members of the public. I'm father Justin.[Listing Names] has served as the pastor of Prince of peace Catholic Church in our county. First I want to acknowledge and appreciate the work being done to improve our roadways. We understand that these projects are meant to benefit the broader community. However I'm here today as John and Betty mentioned to insist on our entrance needs because the new store median directly in front of our entrance has created a significant hardship. Our church service as Betty mentioned 2000 families including 70% of my parish members are seniors. We have daily services counseling sessions at the Catholic churches office and several alcoholic anonymous groups. Around over 30 active ministries of the parish throughout the week. So the current median design has made access difficult. In some cases unsafe. Many of our elderly members are forced to take longer, more complicated roads or make just to end up on campus. What was once a simple and safe entrance has become a barrier for the very people we serve. We are not asking the project to be undone but we are respectfully asking for the council to visit this specific design decision. We would greatly appreciate consideration of adjustments. Our church is not just a place of worship, it is a daily support system for many in our community. Ensuring safe and practical access. Help us continue to serve those who rely on us. Thank you for your consideration, thank you for your time and your service. And again we appreciate your consideration of this request. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good afternoon.[Listing Names] Tomoka Farms village. The last piece of oak canopy and Spruce Creek between Spruce Creek and a quiet place in the country is about to be developed if you allow it. Crossing the proposed 125 acre property will be developed into 111 unit conservation subdivision. There will be internal roadways from water facilities misspelled water wastewater reclaimed water for irrigation among other utilities proposal for goal before the DRC on April 20 if approved it will be appealed come before this body. There is a proposed two thousand foot concrete bridge crossing over Spruce Creek fitness subdivisions only access. It will be dropped into the creek crossing road nondescript cul-de-sac that currently sees about 20 vehicles a day. I will speak to over 1000 during instruction and people over several hundred per day as it services the 111 homes in the development. Thousands of historic oaks and specimen trees will be cut down as the lots are bulldozed filled with slab on grade construction shedding and storm water into Spruce Creek designated outstanding photo put away even before the half million dollars Spruce Creek watershed study that you commission is completed. How is this plan allows to have stormwater outflows directly in the Spruce Creek. The developer is asking for a maximum buildable lot waiver. A public street right-of-way with waiver. A public street with private bridge waiver. A tree waiver and wetland impact labor to build on and destroy 3 acres of wetland to install a Bridget landing and a Pickleball court. Historic and specimen tree waiver to cut down more than 3000 old growth oaks among others without even an official accurate count B are being allowed to estimate. Just because the developer asked for these waivers does not mean you must grant them rules they are asking to waive; the exact rules must be enforced to protect this historic piece of land. If it means they cannot build on this land because the waivers are not granted so be it. The 4000 presidents around that development will be detrimentally affected if you grant this to them. The developer is asking to create the community development District place to possibly float a bond to pay for their $10 million bridge. There will be more flooding and more ruination of Spruce Creek traffic as this development requires a blending of Tomoka Farms Rd. with tone and deceleration lanes among otherworldly changes expressly discourage federal local plan. If you allow these waivers and the outstanding thought of what a player rules to be ignored if you allow this to proceed ride-on the banks of Spruce Creek fuel market Tomoka Farms village overlay to be violated what's the point in having any rules at all? The Tomoka Farms village overlay enshrined in our Comprehensive Plan will be broken to develop roadways for the added traffic. You must deny Creek Crossing when it comes before you. People are depending on you to do due diligence and your job to protect our stork lands. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: [Applause] [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good evening council. Here today to share an example of another County data strengthen protections in its conservation lands, public parks and preserves through a charter amendment requiring voter approval for any sale or disposing the act County is Miami-Dade County I provided copies of the article 7 in the relevant subsections for your review. Miami-Dade charter amendment is even more stringent in Alachua County and allows MSTU to place on the ballot it requires voter approval not only for sales but also for leases and imposes strict building height limitations. Additionally there is no provision allowing a super majority plus 1 foot of the Council to place land on the conservation registry. If land is acquired for conservation as a public park or preserve it is automatically protected. One plan conduct policy stands out. These plans should be protected from commercial development and exploitation of the natural landscape flora and fauna and that the scenic beauty shall be preserved unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations. I've been told by the land use attorney who chairs the CRC that the Alachua County amendment could potentially face a court challenge. My response is simple: any more ordinance or charter amendment can be challenged. That possibility does not mean it will be overturned; both of these counties have adopted strong charter protections that have stood the test of time. The Volusia Forever program approved by 75.6% of voters deserve the same level of protection as those in Alachua County and Miami-Dade County. These conservation lands were purchased with taxpayer dollars and the public should not only have a voice but a vote if the county ever seeks to sell them. We need these protections to safeguard against shifting priorities for future councils especially in light of recent actions by city Council members was repeatedly undermined the program from the dais over the past several months. As well as through public statements and videos in his reelection campaign. I respectfully ask that you review the materials are provided over the past two meetings place the election County amendment on the ballot with the minor modification pray that all land acquired through Volusia Forever automatically protected and placed on the registry also ask that you reject the charter review commission's proposed amendment which leaves the door open for the sale of these protected lands. To keep your time and your consideration. [Applause] >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good afternoon . I'm.[Listing Names] in any case I'm here regarding the proposed 24 seven truck a living trust went land back unfortunately happens to be the house will be right behind this proposed truck plaza. I am 74 years old and retired. I don't want to move again as you note there are going to be 599 homes built in crosswind land; it's only partially occupied now . My biggest problem is the noise. Obviously I hear noise. I don't want your tractor-trailers going up and down and as you know E. New York Ave. is a get in. There will be a positive there all the tractor-trailers will have to come down East New York to the intersection of 44 we all have a generation of a lot of traffic. As will Lakewood Drive folks. The other thing I want to talk about is that since this is basically a retirement community we have a lot of elderly people. We also bicycled down East New York to get to lake 2 Lane Rd. There's not much room on the side or having tractor-trailers there. I imagine also the noise and the traffic is really a major concern. The other thing is since you're not even one third built out in Crestwind Deland since we are 599 homes this will be a lot of traffic if this truck plaza goes and I question whether or not anyone would want to buy a house there if I knew that it truck plaza was going in there I would not buy there at all. I would've gone elsewhere. I love Crestwind Deland as we have great numbers and I'm hoping that you will at least go down and visit E. New York Ave. and see the two Lane Road and that it's a dead end. I know Gail made an incredible speech about all the other concerns we have. I thank you very much for your time and I oppose the construction of this truck plaza and hope you all do also. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you Edward. Debbie Stillwell.[Applause] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: My name is Debbie Stillwell. I live at 1218 Crestwind Deland. I'm speaking to you today because there is no application with the planning department from a developer requesting a special exception to build a truck plaza at the end of New York Ave. just west of I4 off route 44. A note the decision to approve or deny the request initially rests with PLDRC but it is possible it may come before you as an exciting body . to my County Council I wish to go on record letting you know I oppose this request. I am not against development. If I were I would not have bought a home in the new Crestwind Deland active adult community that sits at approximately the same location. What I am against is development that does not make sense. The parcels of land upon which they wish to build happen to be at the dead-end portion of New York Ave. That was unfortunately created when the FDOT reconfigured the access points for I-4 and Route 44 to get this potential truck plaza trucks and cars will have two exit I-4 decelerate and accelerate then decelerate again to turn onto New York Ave. They will then be on a narrow two-lane road with very little shoulder space and have to want it their way to the proposed plaza. That does not sound like the most optimal way to get to his destination? It also means that the traffic will pass by the quite secluded entrance of our neighborhood at all times of the day and night. Creating congestion noise and safety issues. It just does not make sense. What also does not make sense is this truck plaza is not proposed by traffic authorities who did a study and identified this is a prime location for a service center. In fact in 2016 and in 2018, the pollution County Council at that time issued resolutions opposing truck clauses along the I-4 corridor. Rather this is being proposed by land owners hoping to capitalize on their investment. Again I am not against somebody wanting a return on their investment. There are already existing gas stations on the property. I can see how it might make sense to build upon that. But surely it must be a less impactful way than a huge busy noisy truck plaza to give them that return. There must be a way to develop something upon their land that would contribute to and enhance the surrounding area and benefit all of us. That would make sense. Thank you for your time. [Applause] >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. You must be Eric English. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good evening council. I'm going to make this brief. By virtue of the blue shirt you know why I'm here. Instead of rehashing all of the other concerns that you all heard about and there are others to follow I'm sure. I echo Debbie in saying fast regardless of what the PLDRC is going to do in terms of their disposition, it will come to you on appeal. If not by us, by them. That I'm sure. With that in mind I'm going to ask you just to think about a couple of things. Is it appropriate to put a development of this nature in this location? You've already heard about the water issues, the wetland issues. The egress issues. In all of those things for all of those things are amazingly valid arguments and points to be made. The underlying question is is it appropriate? I took it upon myself to locate all 15 locations of this franchise in the state of Florida and Georgia. Not a single one of them is located anywhere near let alone adjacent to any type of residential area. Whether that be a neighborhood of homes, apartment complexes, condominium complexes, government housing. The trailer parks. Also if you look at the exits these are located on they are configured to handle that. If you look at the intersection of I-4 and 44 you will see the egress cannot handle what that volume is anticipated to be. It is barely capable of handling what is now. You add a bunch of OTR. I'm sorry I'm speaking the wife's language. Tractor-trailers car haulers all those other things she went back to the I-4 will be a nightmare. Just on a personal note , the exit is the first exit of 95 into DeLand. Your county seat. Where it is marked is historic downtown DeLand. As a resident of Volusia County. I don't think it's appropriate for someone else's first impression to be that visual on the right-hand side. So my challenge to you is to consider the appropriateness of a development of that nature in that location. Thank you. [Applause] >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good afternoon I'm Sophie March Secretary of the Spruce Creek flying Board of Directors thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today concerning the creek crossing development. Creek crossing is presented as a conservation development yet it directly conflicts with bulk to spirit and the letter of protection this council has put in place. First Spruce Creek once the site is an outstanding Florida water and designation reserved for waterways deserving the highest level of protection, development of this letter should meet the strictest standards not seek exception. Second, this property lies within the ECL which exists to protect wetlands and normally sensitive plans. Despite this the applicant is proposing the destruction of 2.8 acres of wetlands not as a last resort to place the entry road in a location to create more building lots. Even more concerning, the applicant is asking for a waiver to allow that impact ignoring the coded directive to avoid wetland impacts for the creation of a new residential lot. In addition they requested three flavors to the tree survey's requirement staging area of high tree density which would be too impractical to count conservation areas should be understood and not estimated. The conservation subdivision requires 60% of the length remaining as open space for conservation allowing 40% of the land to be developed. However the way that requirement is being applied in this case is deeply concerning. The applicant is attempting to count storm water retention ponds toward that conservation requirement area. That requires clear cutting of trees excavating the natural habitat and fundamentally altering the landscape and habitat corridors. These are not preserved natural areas. They are engineered infrastructure. A retention pond is designed to manage runoff from development; it does not function as an intact habitat; it is not the place where wetlands do not provide the same ecological value as an undistributed plan. Call in those areas conservation structures that term beyond recognition. If cleared and exhibited storm water systems can be counted towards conservation open space in the entire purpose of requiring 60% of preservation is undermined and creates a loophole or development simply relabeled as conservation. Multiples are violations of current land code regulations. It makes me question if conservation land is actually being preserved or is it being redefined to make this project fit the code. Finally their plan put the Pickleball court directly over wetland and impervious surface where the land is meant to absorb, filter and protect water resources. That is not conservation. It is a contradiction. This proposal sets a dangerous precedent by waving plan protections, relaxing environmental survey requirements and allowing development features in areas that are meant to be preserved. Over time, decisions like this erode the trust of residents of you to safeguard quality, manage flooding and preserve natural areas of Volusia County. Please require alteration of his plan that would only avoid wetland impacts and truly reflect observation principles. Thank you so much for your time. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Susan Lambert. [Applause] [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Thank you for your time today. I'm here to talk about the Pickleball ports that are proposed in the creek crossing development project. In fact they are being built on top of wetlands and also right next to existing homes. That is even more impervious impermeable surfaces in the project and placing them on top of wetlands is even worse. There are multiple sources which say the Pickleball courts should be a minimum of 500 feet from homes. Because of the sharp noise of the ball hitting the hard paddle which is highly annoying and a nuisance. Disputes around Pickleball noise have arisen in hundreds of locations across the country. Hillsborough County Florida is considering banning Pickleball courts or lawsuits pending in Apollo Beach Boca Raton and many other areas in Florida. In May 2022 the mayor of Mission. Kansas filed a lawsuit against the Mission Hills country club for noise levels coming from Pickleball courts on the converted tennis courts. Birmingham Michigan of the Birmingham country club wanted a campaign to hold conversion of tennis courts to Pickleball courts across the street from them. Just in August of 2035 the city of Winter Park ordered approved regulations to make the minimum distance 150 feet from Pickleball courts 20 homes up from the 20 feet they had as the prior regulation. I have many more examples but in every case the residence near the park said the noise was unbearable and disrupting to their lives. The Pickleball courts and creek crossings will be less than 100 feet from existing homes. A retired engineer and Carnegie Mellon diversity professor recently co-authored a Pickleball noise level study. They found that Pickleball racket noise when it connects with the ball 100 feet and was measured 100 feet from the court was at 70 dB. It's also a high pitch 1200 Hz which is roughly the same frequency as noise from a garbage truck that is backing up. Human mirrors are very efficient at detecting the frequencies at 1000 - 1200 Hz sounds remarkably loud right in that range. These courts will be not only noisy but they are also lights will be shining until late at night within 100 feet of existing homes. Channel 9 just did a story on the lights on global courts last night. In addition to the issues with light and noise pollution from the proposed Pickleball courts it appears that the developer is pushing to see how many parts of the Volusia County land use code that they can bypass by requesting multiple flavors. It appears that they are trying to fill this little section of land with as much as they can . morning as much of it as they can violate as many land use codes that they can pray only to erode and undermine the integrity of the Scotties rules. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for your comments Susie homes. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Thank you I'm Susie homes and from Spruce Creek fly and I'm here to speak against the creek crossing wetland waiver. In my opinion, delivering 2.8 acres of wetlands should be denied. The waiver is misleading and does not meet the criteria for an exemption and goes against the rules of our Volusia County land code. I have a transcript here from the February 11 meeting which is similar to the transcript or the codes that somebody else mentioned from a January meeting. When Danny Robins asked Clay Irving he specifically asked him how he is the captain growth management director at the time about how the county was about minimizing impact on wetlands play play responds and this is a direct quote from that meeting. That is our number one priority. So Clay tells him it's the number one priority to avoid wetlands then Clay goes on to say that the wetlands can only be impacted and is called the only way if it is the only plate to access the property. The current plans are not the only way that this property can be accessed. If you see the diagram here with only a slight curve to the South you can completely avoid impacting these wetlands. I also have some quotes from the environmental review staff here at the Volusia that they sent in March to the developer; they have not changed these plans at all. The court out of the letter is "the proposed plan conflicts with the Council directed to not impact wetlands for their creation of new residential lot " also like other people have mentioned in the same wetland where they have the road going through that is unnecessary they will put the Pickleball courts right here. A big piece of concrete slab that the water will run off and the existing homes the people were talking about are right here adjacent to where they will put their Pickleball court. These homes are inside of Spruce Creek. This is where Creek Crossing wants to put their Pickleball court. The developer also refers to the wetlands and delivers as average to low grade. I think this is very incorrect. There is a map that Paul will show when he speaks, that this wetland is immediately adjacent to a tributary that runs into Spruce Creek. Also by calling it average-well is misleading because real maps show up until 2020 this was a very active land but in 2020 someone started altering the wetlands and it is been consistently non-mode I was told by the rental staff for Volusia County that if they would stop lawn mowing this wetland would be going back to normal justly and to show one more thing. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: We need to let Paul go. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Hello guys hello everybody thank you for letting me speak on Paul homes the president of the Spruce Creek property owners Association want to go to work with you couple things I've already said before. Spruce Creek has a team of lawyers, civil engineers and planners and ecologist tablets which is protection of our rights are 1600 homes that is 3000 people live adjacent to this it is 1 mile of our border that is being affected we are being affected about as much as anybody in Volusia County. I'd like to talk about the five requests I'd given to you before. I'm happy to say this? I should say our team is getting along very well. We have a navigation agreement and our engineers have met and gone over the hurricane swales we think are very important to protecting our property. The engineering that is Luxor redevelopment drainage pattern exhibit right here that is what that is titled. This is from their engineering company Luxor. They put this out it's hard to see here unless you have it you have it on your voice. If you see the blue, a small line that is a tributary that leads directly from this water protective water W2B it shows on Evans engineering that it leads from that waterway is a Spruce Creek tributary outstanding Florida waterway. They are trying to pave it over. I'd like to go on to number three here. Remember that it is Evans engineering that is their engineers telling you all of that. Here is another engineering drawing done by our engineer. And also evidence and basically it cuts down the basic role of a conservation development is 60 /40 split. Think you know what that means 60% conservation and 40% theological done in this case is 50 acres maximum. They are trying to build 70 acres on 250 acres maximum per is here we've got it in engineering plans they are trying to overextend 40%. Everybody knows that the first rule you cannot violate. Somehow they're putting in some words about the trees that they knock down . 3000 trees still not down in these global ways; these two ponds don't count toward conservation. Or towards their building I don't know how you do not down 3000 trees in a conservation development and you don't count it up and that is what they're trying to do and please hold the staff accountable. You have to pay attention to this rule. Doctor no go starter right there. There 40% over under building if the development does not fit don't vote for it. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: [Listing Names] Are you ready or do you want to go at the end of the meeting. Mary Dickinson. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Mary Dickinson Marsh Road. Recently we were in here and if the ground movement on our loader from all of the dump trucks and everything have moved the ground and the sidewalk is starting to go and I was going to block it off so people would not walk on it and end up getting their legs cut off when the cement goes down and they are in the hall. The cops were called and that they cannot contract to intimidate me. And he threatened me with going to jail. I told them I will take that fence down here. You guarantee me you are going to be responsible if people get hurt. Because of this commission has done nothing to combat the problems that you created on our substandard road. And also, if you want to know the easement is 5 feet somehow I know. I am a retired owner broker of real estate and in real estate you better know easements. The easement on Marsh Road is estate easement 5 feet. Officer Lieutenant.[Listing Names] came out like gangbusters. With another cop that was there. And he threatened me with jail. I'm threatened. My little dogs. They were going to take my little dogs away. I don't know where that came from. They figured at 75 years old they could intimidate me. I've been in many different businesses and worked for companies all over the world. I will not be intimidated by police officers who may beat the man that they beat up in jail or the man that was over at the jail was going to report it to the states like he was supposed to and the county wanted to cover that up and make it disappear. And the men at his job. And for doing his job the county fired him. Now recently the counties have settled. I think it was the sum of $800,000. Let's move on to 360 acres that Volusia County has brought forth this little fantasy Park and Mr. Dempsey on his website has said about toilet to tapwater. There are three wells in this county. Three. You are also building his county and you need a moratorium now. No more buildings. The county is not allowed to be in business. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Brian Stillwell. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good afternoon my name is Brian Stillwell, resident of Crestwind Deland. In the April 7 meeting you mentioned our blue shirts in our neighborhood give me a chance to get some thoughts on that conversation. And share some things with you. You serve in a role like a Board of Directors. You make policy decisions. You also make decisions on a single lot of land. All the time. These decisions affect the people all around this land for decades, sometimes permanently. Councilman Santiago I promise we are not picking on you but you said that these are hard decisions and it could not agree with you more. They should be. Because the decisions you make are lasting. The real question comes along with statute technical compliance and applying judgment and common sense to decisions. I think it's good news. I think it's in the ordinances and codes and decisions made before. I will give you some examples. I will start with one very clear one. We have adult entertainment businesses in Volusia County. But none of them are next to schools. Why? Because proximity matters. And no amount of medication can make those to a school and that type of business next to each other acceptable. Our own Volusia County code requires separations between industrial construction and intensive commercial businesses and residential communities. For the same reason parades some juices are simply incompatible. And that the harm is predictable. These are not complicated ideas. He says here. You would never place a major truck closet next to an existing 55+ residential community on a dead end single lane road. Ever. Why? Because they are fundamentally incompatible with one another. There is no mutual benefit in the permanent impact. Traffic congestion safety risks. Noise. A fundamental change in the character of the community for 16 of the gateway entrance to historic downtown DeLand. No sales pitch can make changes or change these impacts. These insects are just simply self evident. Let me be clear, we respect truck drivers. They are essential. Everything in here was probably delivered by a semitruck. They deserve saved accessible services. Location matters and proximity matters. Placing the truck closet next to an established 55 plus community is not acceptable by any measure. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. We have three speakers left which is nine minutes we've got six minutes until five or six if anybody can cut it short.[Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: I would love to cut it short. It is going to happen the same. My name is.[Listing Names] Thank you for hearing from me. I've come up here a couple times to speak on Volusia Forever today but you know Creek Crossing has made my point more apparent. I'm here to speak about Creek Crossing and ask this look sort developer -out of this area. I have a very unique approach and a few on this because I just built a million-dollar house and quiet place to place a drop of 40 years ago. I own a piece of property on the fly. I can see both angles. This is dumb no matter how you look at it. We can say a lot of the stuff to appeals developers we got to move forward but at a certain point we have to have common sense that's assignment back there was majestic stop rezoning. It is insane that we are trying to appease one guy that owns the property to give money to development company outside of this area there is lots more of us are not asking to take his property and is coming in there with eminent domain near Saint don't pander to one guided by the way what the property knowing she would have to mutilate the property you would have to tier down wetlands complex the numbers don't make sense this is not a surprise for him trying to save myself and for my kids to school. This is obvious, this is true, a 5, 10 year plan is genius. He came in here but the property contingent upon development and a guarantee he set behind the summer and said we will wear them down all we have to do is make sure my attorneys steamrolled the Council and we won. Guess what he is right it's not right along its whoever has the best attorney. This is insane to entertain this idea that McKenna said it before I'm in construction not against development. Let them build 10 acre lots. Everybody else here probably would be. It is not over complicating something that does not need to be complicated. Quiet Place was starting to flood. It is never flooded. You hear a lot of stories about growing up in a flood. I grew up there. I can say this. Now I'm numbers for my brand-new house might flood. Client, I will tell you something. Nobody also planned to put 111 outsiders right after that flightpath. I guarantee you they will complain they will try to shut the airport down. Without a doubt you will lose one of the jewels of this town it's like sitting on the racetrack because it is too loud or scholarly nonsense a corporate stop pandering to again one dude I said before you have 100 people in the room 95 of them will not want this done in 5-1 on the developer banker and builder and a couple of people want to be like because typically part of the group. We are not saying take disguise and use a play by the rules, do not pander to him because you know what New York ran out of lighthearted musical mother nature will start or stop our development and rezoning the object to have what everybody else wishes is they had thank you very much). >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Thank you and good afternoon. My name is Emma New Smyrna Beach resident on the small business owner New Smyrna Beach beachfront property I'm here to talk about its permit coastal restoration of seawall project that we've started your planet with the city state and the county right now our county permit is conditional at this time that's what I want to speak about. This project is a direct response of the significant storm damage can be separate in 2020 with hurricanes and in 2024 like many others in our community we experienced major devotion gossip shoreline authority invested over $50,000 of our money in emergency repairs including sand placement June restoration to stabilize the area we are right off the third Avenue beach read which causes undue erosion effect on our property. The county is asking us for 115% of this in a performance guarantee. I'd like to point out that the county's own code section 72- 1053 states provided flexibility in cases involving major damages caused by natural disaster. The county has applied this exemption in the past yet is now being applied inconsistently. It appears that this flexibility previously tied to state emergency orders when those orders expire at the exemption was no longer applied. Calvert County's Codex out not by this provision with any state or federal mandate. The language stands on its own and allows for discussion based solely on the existence of major storm damage which clearly adheres to our situation. Additionally in the same section of code it allows for contribution to the dune restoration project in . Doing what repairs on the beach don't you do not want to be responsible for third Avenue easement conflict property because underwater bushes are I don't want to be responsible for covering the rock replacing theirs and paying for the county under land use permit that they stand for. Just in conclusion, I know that we're simply asking for reasonable and consistent application of the code which clearly states in the beach doing restoration code not asking to avoid responsibility we are asking for fairness, consistency and ability to complete a project that's already protecting our shoreline. We have to finish by May 1 which is the total nesting season in code 72-1053 gives the parties the authority to waive this requirement. I've respectfully given plenty of your time and consideration and service to your community. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. Personally we have one more speaker and 45 seconds (Michell. Make it happen. We've missed you. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: It's good to see you walking. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: I come here a little emotional today because I want people to know what great people that surround you. I know I come in here with a pretty negative attitude. the government kind of gets you. I prove the science. The government is lying. The only people that really have not turned their backs on me besides you lose your family and friends and everything else your job and identity. Volusia County listens to me. It takes a lot to come up here because I'm full of vinegar. To let you know how much I appreciate you because you let me take 3 minutes you don't have to tell you how much I appreciate you. And your staff was able to give me a safe place to live when I governed my freedom movements. My organizations all stood there and allowed me to not have a place to stay. Without you it would not have been possible. I want Volusia County to know that. I'm vaccine injured by Pfizer. I'm on Governor Desantis' roundtable. I've been abandoned by him, Ashley Moody the Attorney General now. I have been used as a prop for political gains. My life is worth more than that. I will be a grandmother in September. I'm fighting for my life and will continue to fight for future generations as children and more. I found places that can actually do this by testing after goals and see I've been working diligently to help future generations so they don't have to have a shortened life like I do. Without you, it would not be possible. I want the people of Volusia County to know that you make a difference. Because nobody else in the state of Florida did. Well Cory Mills that he helped me with my disability and Medicare which if it was not for him I would've lost my insurance I would've lost everything because I could not afford $20,000 a month to keep me alive. There are several different infusions of medications. Not too many people come up here and tell you thank you. I don't have too many people I can think of but I can thank you. I want it on the record just so you know I have a pro se going. I am going against the state of Florida against the federal grand jury and had documents the whole time. That was deleted. There was fraud. I'm a whistleblower. I will be working on many different levels putting things in through the three letter agencies I already have through the F VI I'm a whistleblower. I will be fighting for people's lives from now on until I take my last breath. I promise to do that for everyone. I want everyone here to know that Volusia County did something for me. My government did something. You should be proud of them. Thank you. [Applause]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. County staff Brad Burbaugh I don't know if they are in here. That is to you. Thank you Michelle. [Unclear Audio]. [Laughter]. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Mr. Chairman thank you sir it is not that. Just that later in the comments usually stay to the end. I appreciate that. I want to make a comment I think on behalf of myself and maybe the rest of my colleagues regarding the two development projects that we discussed today there was a lot of intensity and passion about this Spruce Creek thing in the flying J think in all gel but the general public did not know those projects are not for us yet. We are not in the position right now to opine on it. Or to make any direction on it. For the general public concern that out there you'll learn a lot more about the process everybody including you will have third time and due process as it comes along through this process if that makes sense. All of your comments are certainly being heard but for the general public we are not talking about that yet I don't even know and you said. I have no idea. I learned about Flying J from you last time you spoke. It's something about the Spruce Creek thing for you all. It is not possible for this body to have more details on it. I don't think my colleagues have any details on it either. There is no pandering personal information other than what you're sharing until he gets submitted to us for us to do an evaluation and hear from you all and make a decision. Thank you. I scheduled there is no pandering about the nature of that I don't even know about it. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: And Texas two Item number one approval of the agenda is there a motion to approve the agenda. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I make a motion to approve. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed Item two Consent Agenda I can see there is an and Councilman have an Item on the Consent Agenda they would like to pull for a vote? We will do that first. Councilman Robbins Councilman Dempsey not for a vote. Councilman Robins human Item you want to discuss. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: No sir if there are no Items I make a motion to approve. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I second the motion. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: Just a comment on the Delta echo. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I would like just to hear more on Item S also not for a vote just let's hear it before we vote because we do have members of the public who would like to comment. Let me see we have a three D and 1 E. You can see by the 1D is no. E. It sure is. You can see why the initials Public Participation while we try to devote minutes because we ran out of time the Council voted to make an exception for Michelle I'm glad they did. Please stick to your three minutes. These are all the comments on Item D. We have [. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good evening gentlemen, I'm Wendy Anderson. I live in District 1. I just want to share a couple thoughts with you about the review of the work plan for the coming year. Item number five on the work plan is to review the criteria utilized to define and where appropriate use Item number six conduct annual evaluation of the primary site ranking criteria and the first and farmland criteria I want to speak about that we have several criteria that are used 19 criteria that are used to look at properties to evaluate properties and I think the Volusia Forever board is a very fine job of reviewing the information for staff provides for them on that. There are a couple elements I think are probably some deeper consideration in this year's branch to ensure that we use our Volusia Forever dollars judiciously as possible. At the last meeting you all approved to continue the right to use bond funding to purchase properties in a fair timeframe to be able to secure those present. I think that's a great thing that we can do. The use of bonds I'm really glad you all approved hats. But that also opened up the possibility that we might be purchasing properties that are maybe marginal lands that may not have the qualities that we really want for the long-term. 2.7 like to ask that either the Volusia Forever toward the Staphylococcus governing body consider, part one, the cost of restoration. One of the things that we deal with Volusia Forever dollars is actually the lands that are not in perfect condition and need to be restored. But we need to use or look at the cost of restoring pastors the cost of restoring wetlands have been heavily degraded and perhaps the cost of paying for the fine or currently attached already degraded wetlands on properties we are looking to purchase you need to be very careful before we approved those properties another key point is a lot of the properties there in the bucket for you all to put on the priority list in your next Item are actually adjacent to the St. Johns River or other major rivers they are not just floodplains but areas that are regularly under water and perhaps very near future will be permanently underwater. I want us to consider whether or not it is a good use of our taxpayer dollars to be purchasing properties that will be forever flooded. Just think about that as you look at these properties I don't want to throw in properties under the bus. I'm all in favor of conservation. I want to do the best we can. But knowing our dollars are limited, knowing that we are now committed to going out to bond at some of these purchases I would really like to see us be very careful about not purchasing properties that really are not at risk of development because they are underwater. Thank you very much. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. [Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: [Listing Names] I just want to reiterate what Doctor Wendy said on the one Item as far as Volusia Forever appeared technique being made aware of their wetland violations on the property and what defines our clinic was due to the ranking. Not having my own little thing to address your current want to correct the record of Volusia County being ranked number two in the state was actually ranked him in 19 in the stateful conservation with 37% of land in conservation. This data was compiled by the Florida natural area inventory as of January 2026 this includes local, state, federal and private. I will submit a copy of this data into the public record as well as one breach Council member. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. This is on Item E. [Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: I know you have always said you'll pass these Items there on your Consent Agenda because we heard things about Volusia Forever funds should not be spent on wetlands because they don't do anything and they will not be developed they are not used for the lands want to bring up the properties that is classified there as Lake Nona Road it shows a 60% wetlands wetlands are not uses land the program Volusia Forever is not about stopping development it's about protecting land this particular piece of property is going for a working forest and farm land easement that means they continue to have land management responsibility they continue to pay taxes. That is a win for us as citizens. The fact that 60% wetlands means it's a water recharge area is false in a basin management action plan. Because of that water recharge is really essential to us in Deleon Springs. I just want to point that out because it's a very important acquisition we are requesting for you to move this forward for acquisition in the letter a group. It also abuts the heart Ellen conservation area. It's a very important parcel for us in Deleon Springs thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Stay right there. You get Item O as well. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Item O , I want to speak in favor of that again from the states we've heard derogatory statements about paper trails I think we need to understand that FDOT started the Sun Trail program that is shared use nine terrestrial program to make up for the fact they paved over communities like ours and destroyed our small town character. They came up with the Sun Trail program they funded billions of dollars and paved trails are important because your people handicapped the connected down under trails. Got people pushing strollers so paved trails all over this county all over the state are essential. They are used by hundreds of thousands of people. This is part of the river to sea loop which is a 260 mile loop in these two sections are essential to getting that connected these two parts have been missing for a very long time it's going to connect the rest of what you call the spring to spring trail which is actually a portion of the river to sea loop it's very important to get these two sections down and paved trails are great for all of us thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you I will scratch Item S but Donald Dempsey for comments. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: I just want to reiterate I'm in favor of Volusia Forever unity conservation easements even though that was not on the ballot. I just wanted to highlight that I support the program and what it stands for and am not in favor of overdevelopment. Unlike what we should forever attempt to do, the limiting development. However, I am concerned about what the conservation easement contracts call for sometimes. I asked that we when the staff is reviewing this list when staff is going over these lists we are given today E to be putting on as well as future plans what are plans and goals should be in the future need to be mindful that what was on the ballot was just for purchases. Bond issues that Ms. Anderson's complement was already on the ballot that is what people voted for. People did not vote for partnerships or linking up with the state or the federal government. They voted for actual purchases through the millage up to 60 million dollars in bond. That was what was on the ballot. This is nothing new I'm glad we are continuing to buy these lands I performed that we stay focused on Volusia County and only Volusia County purchasing and owning these properties with no preemption to partnerships like our pastor says anything with two heads is a monster when you get more and more partners involved and as generational heirs come down we can have as many students and descendents of the property grantors they can have 20 kids or grandkids now all of a sudden we have 20 partners calling the shots on the Templeton modifications to these things. That is why I'm asking staff to be mindful and remember the stuff. This is kind of like homeowners insurance. Everybody has homeowners insurance but nobody could read the policies. Nobody ever leads to policies until disaster strikes. You may go 60 years with no issue. You think I've got the good hands and people behind me are great. They've got my back. Until the roof is blown off by tornadoes and your adjuster says page 400 subsection J says you are denied because it happened on Tuesday and not covered on Tuesdays. I asked every one of you guys and the staff don't read the contracts. On these conservation easements. Because like I said before and I will say it again the devil is in the details of what happens when we run out of renewable energy and will need to solo. What does the contract say we can and cannot do? Flooding, what are we allowed to do or not do with these lands once flooding occurs? We cannot use it for conservation easement, cannot use conservation easements for anything to affect hydrology, cannot use it for certain things. What happens when we run out of freshwater aquifers when the aquifer dries up and we have potable use? I asked everybody, the staff and the public to read the contract. I want to make sure that when staff put out these recommendations with the conservation easement that they attached the contract for the public to read. That is what I'm asking. Please read the stuff. Don't believe this election's pure propaganda that you think I'm against Volusia Forever. I'm against conservation easement because we voted for all of this today but please don't be the home owner who gets denied coverage after disaster strikes. Don't want future council members 50 years from now having a disaster looming no freshwater no renewable energy flooding how do we control flooding? Have their hands tied because they cannot use a third of the county in the weight they would like to. Because of this contract that was signed 50 years ago. Thank you guys. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you that's the end of comments we will vote on the entire Consent Agenda just to let everybody know and in the public know what we are voting on here is a list of properties on Volusia Forever but we are not voting to approve all of these properties we are voting for Volusia Forever actually for the staff to pursue these properties that are approved by willing sellers and if it goes any further it will come back to the Council to vote on and will hear from it again. It sometimes gets confusing. [Unclear Audio]. So he wants to speak. I cannot tell if it is S or Z. Is it S? Come on up. To speak. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: I didn't realize I was supposed to put F on that with regard to the fact that I thought I'm from Daytona Beach were going through the rezoning. Right now we are under the 2010 zoning that is 16 years too late. We are under a lawsuit. I want to hear from her how she's going to do this. Because it depends on how the lawsuit comes in I was told it would come in on March 23 and it's after March 20 I don't know how this is going to go. Whatever happens I want you to realize it's because in 2010 we have grown by 50% our city clean 50% they are not going to include the new residence in this rezoning. This does not make sense to me. 30,000 people will not be considered when they do this zoning. The ACLU sued because it was all race based. They divided the black Midtown area into four zones then the Senate cannot find the beach side anywhere. So we have to divide the beachside into three zones. It does not make sense to me if you do not divide Midtown into four zones for different zones you have your black zone. Secondly if the mayor wanted the black college 4000 voters to be divided into two. So they can have an additional black member on the commission. 23% of our voters are black and 70% of our commission is black. It does not make sense to continue that system. Because all the courts have said you cannot use race alone to do your zoning. I was waiting for Lisa to say what she is going to do. I believe if we screw up again the ACLU will give us a third lawsuit thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. That includes all of the comments from Item 2 on the Consent Agenda. It is not. We are going to need a time permit and when they can turn in.[Listing Names] you already spoke. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: It's something important. Partnerships are the heart of what makes Volusia Forever programmatically successful; protecting a natural plant is not something anyone who can do alone. It takes collaboration between local government environmental organizations, private landowners and the community. Through strong partnerships we are able to pool resources, share expertise and make smarter, more sustainable decisions about preservation. These convolutions help expand the reach of the programs and ensure the more critical habitat support resources including spaces are preserved for future generations. Equally important partnerships build trust and shared responsibility. Communities and organizations can duplicate the conservation becomes more than policy. It becomes a collective commitment that is helping shortly she County natural beauty and ecological health are protected not just for today with decades to come. In short partnerships transition into action and action to lessen the impact and lastly they will not mean to build solar farms on play conservation length stays in conservation. Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Item 2 Consent Agenda all in favor? All in favor signify by saying,aye? >> Board Voting: Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Unanimously Item 3. Citizens Academy. >> DANA PAIGE Here to present the individuals who completed this 26 Citizens Academy this week remove Citizens Academy from the fall to a winter start that worked out much better for us he still had 12 sessions in person and virtual they were kicked off the County Manager and the CFO here live in the chambers then were virtual for some we had sums in person on Thursdays field trips on Saturdays we got to see the fire training center the emergency operations center the Marine science Center beach safety airport the DeBerry Hall and the landfill this evening is the final session they get to sit through a County Council meeting I'd like to take a minute to thank cofacilitators Nicole.[Listing Names] who helped to take them through the journey through Volusia at this time I'd like to present to you the participants of the 2026 Citizens Academy if they can come up and be recognized and get a photo with the Council. [Applause]. [Unclear Audio]. [Applause]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Congratulations and thank you all. You need to take this class next time. [Laughter]. [Unclear Audio]. I want to see your day timer. Okay we don't need a vote on that. Okay we will begin Item for Item 04 Award of Agreement to CFB Outdoors, Inc., DeLand, FL for Beach Maintenance Services, 26-P-05MC. Estimated annual expenditure: $4,500,000. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I make a motion to approve. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I'm waiting to see if the other two councilmembers come back quickly. Do you have a question for you? I think you know what it is. It is really this strictly for clarification to get back to good grief. How the pages are in this thing. Only 70. [Laughter] Usually do send new mail and answer this. Usually there is always the cost of each bid. It was just unusual that this one did not have them provided that I appreciate that I'm not questioning you about that. CFB Outdoors forgot the contract is not the lowest but they were I think the second to lowest but who have worked with them for many years I think the price is 20% of the weight of accepting. >> BENJAMIN BARTLETT : Yes sir that is correct this is not a straight bid like you would normally see on a construction project with the low bidder principal of responsible bidder gets it this was a case where the price was a component of the overall selection it was a selection committee in this case it was 20% of the overall selection criteria we had them submit an operations plan was experience there was also equipment list from things like that that we asked them to provide the scoring criteria it was based on a combination of those things. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay. My real question is thank you for providing that. I don't see a tier there that will not waste time trying to get to it. David was one nine dollars and something. But the contract is for over $4 million explained again by. You explained this afternoon that there were four units, one of them was units of like 4000 units of the grading feature which is a lot but it takes that many. But if you do four times that many it is like whole? I'm just trying to figure out where we got from one dollar of default going to the contractors. >> BENJAMIN BARTLETT : The contractors paid nuclear price we developed a schedule of values based on our experience with in the contract previously a set of unit prices we asked the contractor to fill in their unit prices would be as you said waiting to be tramps and into trash cans equipment by the hour. You have to give them a certain amount of units so we can total it up and create an apples to apples comparison amongst all the different contractors so we can score them based on the price. The estimated annual expenditure on this contract does not match that because first of all these things as you mentioned are highly variable on the beach it's dependent on the weather dependent on the people that visit the beach and could be dependent on FEMA reapportionment incidents which I don't want to go into and use the H word long story short the schedule of values in this bed is developed so we can compare their prices their contract is almost prices the actual quantities will be bid out based on how we actually use them. If they have to do a bunch of ramp grading they will get paid at that unit price. And so on and so forth if we need equipment to move debris around the bulk pay them at that unit price. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Their bid included 7600 ramp gradings you expect to see four times that much. >> BENJAMIN BARTLETT : >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Which would be fine with me on Wednesday see all hold beach graded to get to it. >> JESSICA FENTRESS: One of the examples in this contract is a blue. This is the first time since I've been here 10 years that I have three derelict vessels on the beach at one time. This would be a case where we have not used derelict vessel removal services for scale previously where in the next two months we probably will be removing all three vessels if they cannot come into compliance with the laws following 222 hurricanes we had a significant amount of debris pressure toward the beach cannot account for the cannot estimate how much garbage just came in from the ocean. The intent of this solicitation was to create unit prices. We have the mechanisms in place of GPS systems to track the services being provided to go directly to the invoices. This is grading the unit price based on the past three years of service, estimating about $40,000 increase from the prior year. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay don't go away I was going to get to that assuming that was probably a huge question on price was after hurricanes you have bulk debris and pickup nonroutine bulk pickup read I said the H word to die not. I did not mean to. We're not participating this year. That is huge?. I was really asking about the ramp grading. 7600 do you expect more than that? >> JESSICA FENTRESS: Will 38 G 365 days a year from now we are doing multiple times a day ramp grading pretty much every Friday Saturday and Sunday at the moment we are in a drought and we have not had a lot of Range is a very good chance we can be pretty darn close to that if not higher especially the sand project New Smyrna Beach at the moment. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I hope we do my final question is the bear big was 1,400,601 the contract that stress must approve today is over 4 million you will use that you have to are you going to use a repented of it. >> BENJAMIN BARTLETT : To be clear we're not asking to approve an amount of $4.5 million that is what we estimate might be spent on this contract utilizing unit prices in this contract based on the past. In our budget that is where the Council would approve the money allocated towards beach maintenance and of course these are used across multiple other divisions including environmental this contract I should save across environmental and beach safety. The amount that the Council when it comes to the budget for beach minutes would be in their present this is what we estimate we would use that does not mean we would use all 4.5 nine dollars of it to be less dependent on variables and conditions. And things like that is what we estimated would spend on this friend's unit price contract. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Especially since we are not participating in any storms. >> BENJAMIN BARTLETT : It's not like we had $4.5 million in walkaway. We have a very robust system for measuring what we do and how to get less. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I appreciate that I think it needs to be clear to the public when they compare numbers Vice Chair. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Finish you answered this question once before or during the agenda update the information age they can get shared with individuals and asked me about it individuals trash cans they are now supplying them there before we work that is something you don't have to worry about in the event an event we will leave it at that without saying H word and we still response and for taking them up until the conclusion of that event or do they cannot do it. >> JESSICA FENTRESS: Yes sir you never comply with all the trash cans they pulled them in our direction. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: They are still doing that which is good in the event that we have paid for using standard events. We had a significant event that happened a few weeks ago. There was a lot of trash that was left on the beach that they command and assist in that still exist as well. I don't want the productivity test. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: They don't assist, they do it, they are intermittent scooper body weight three times and 65 is over 13 thousand gradings right there. If we do it every day and that there are 38 you already a 13,000 gradings again like they are explaining their getting a Montague Sizemore to be spent on that contract it will be that number hopefully it will be under that number I'm sure will not have one of those H events. Quite a bit last. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I like your attitude George. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: You got to be positive. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you very much for any other questions for the staff? Any comments. All in favor of the award of agreement to CFB Outdoors. >> AYE. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Opposed approved 7/0 which is to Item number five Item 05 Contract with T & K Construction LLC, for the Tomoka Farms Road landfill southeast area construction cell I, 26-B-51IF, C2071. Expenditure: $27,758,594 speed I make a motion to approve. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Will you risk saying anything for. >> BENJAMIN BARTLETT : I want to say good news this bid came in under unexpected budget we are excited about that. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Am appreciative it's still almost $28 million. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: It's expensive to store garbage. Okay any other questions for Ben? Any comments. All in favor of approving the contract. >> AYE. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Opposed the contract is approved 7/0. Item 06 Contract amendment No.2 with Stearns, Conrad and Schmidt, Consulting Engineers, Inc. d/b/a SCS Engineers for the architectural and engineering for the Tomoka Farms Road landfill southeast expansion area - class I, 23-SQ-180IF. Expenditure: $1,483,847 I did not hear the motion. Speed I make a motion to >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I second the motion. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I make a motion to approve. >> BENJAMIN BARTLETT : This is the group that makes it get built per the plan does what it's supposed to do. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: It's still a lot of money at $1.5 million. No questions, no comments all in favor? >> AYE. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed Item 6 is approved 7/0. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Item 07 Proposed Ordinance 2026-10; settlement threshold Strategic Goals: Efficient Regulatory Framework this is from the County Attorney’s Office. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: This was the Adam apartment the last meeting to bring to you as a proposal current ordinance provides authorizes $125,000 in spending authority we are not kept up with that amount with the settlement authority which is a $50,000 light of the large shift in his sovereign immunity CAP which the governor recently signed. And to match the spending authority to avoid confusion we recommend that these amounts be updated. It's been six years since it was last. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I make a motion to approve. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Questions for the staff you did a good job explaining this last meeting County Attorney Michael Dyer. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: It's a lot of money. It is not trash. Mike I've got some visitation with this I'm going to tell you why. I think with the spending caps we've had in place it is kept things at a certain level. The other side these are public meetings give a sizable note for the spending caps are. Now they know what they are they come to play ball the goal line has been moved. The taxpayers lose. That's why I'm not crazy about this idea. It allows students purse strings to be opened up by one person for three years. I've given you very good evaluations, it is not a you issue. This is a human greed issue. The taxpayers are going to get stuck with it. Unless I hear something compelling to change me gentlemen I'm a hard no on this. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: You intrigued me if I may ask a question you think by opposing this that it keeps us in a better negotiating position. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Absolutely. The other side will tell their client here is their maximum amount that they can approve right here let's do this and get this thing done. They would do it. Now, it will go from 50 thousand dollars up to 125,000 guests but we will see a lot next year? A shocker. It is not a shocker it is a human greed thing that is what it is. There are reasons why it is before us and I'm just not there. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I will just say I'm interested in your position also want to ago my openness to just ignore flexion and George whatsoever because I trust that gentlemen in my years of experience you have the highest market want you to know that constant bodies of service. I kind of see where you're coming from Troy. I'm leaning towards your way for that reason. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: I like what I'm hearing whispering to me. I like what I'm hearing from you David Santiago. George mentioned about) event one of those long reviews for me as well. The plan of both professionally and the little bit I know about you personally on things of that as well I think you're both great gentlemen. I would bring the vote around my family and I don't bring men around my family that I don't think are great gentlemen. It is not the flexion David mentioned to you George this is just my way of pumping the brakes and just saying I'm not going to let the taxpayers get it over the head with this club because that is my opinion is what's going to happen I could be totally wrong on it. I don't think so. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: I don't disagree with what you're saying I think what we deal with currently right now you're the sovereign immunity 300,000 per person $200,000 per incident if you have an incident that a large number of people involved CAP is at 300 but the legislature did it's a big increase the increased individual CAP at 75% starting this October typically when we get a claim I will send you updates that are a good cure to help insomnia. They always asked for the maximum. Do we settle for that? No. It is common for initial demand 200,000 that is the most they can ask for that's the most they can ask for we just have to balance that. She had a history of being aggressive in defending clients and no Mr. Kent and I talked about this. I feel personally if you are quick to settle you will encourage more claims and suits. Just so you know this is general I don't have that practice. There may be a case that you take to trial, they may have some you don't have a crystal ball to take the risk. The settlement demand on the other side we thought was not visible. We have a good track record on it occasionally you may come up with one that the jury did not agree with. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Chairman if I made to follow up on that ring not that we all don't understand is John is an attorney she especially Jake was a city manager of war that has he got to see it he had to make those decisions for my time in Ormond Beach I already shared with you my time normally teach as an active shade meetings at the city getting sued unrequited 95% of the time 75% of the time they wanted to settle to make it go away because they were afraid of losing in court until finally one day I just 7 shady feeding enters fused arsenic we are right I refuse to give the taxpayer money away you are hired to fight for the city get out there and do your job site for the city enough is enough were not settling they were not there support for the city and one in the course it was like go back and look at it we went through years without one another lawsuit against the city because they were like Ormond Beach will not just open up the pursestrings and dump the money out to you anymore you will go and fight you in court when I had back in position like when I got elected here you're not afraid to send your very competent team to fight for this county that's a wonderful wonderful thing I still stand and my concern about costs increasing that it just allows that money to just flow out of here on the other side knows it. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. Don Jake and Matt any of the three of you have questions for staff will commence. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: Mike, don't know if you are allowed to share this with us to have an average settlement. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: That I can certainly come up with that number. I don't have that number on the tip of my tongue. [Unclear Audio] >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: Taking out the experience if we closed out the top 10%. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: Typically with these seven immunity CAP a reference only applies to claims as you know if we can slip and fall in an auto accident. Those kinds of cases. When we get claims we have a good idea when we are liable. So it becomes displeased with a reasonable amount to compensate that person. I went over there medical what is their prognosis for future pain and suffering that type of thing planets I would say typically in the cases that in tort cases when we know we are liable it's a question of what is the reasonable amount you have a good team in place to evaluate that pushback I would say we not an easy target just like you all agree with that. If there's times where we think settlement is in our best interest we will come forward with that. This clearly prompted you to put this on me. Was prompted by seeing the seven immunity CAP just preparing if you don't approve it and we keep it as it is that is fine as well. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay claim Jake who had a question I think he just inserted it we don't approve it it is just a two week and one month delay in the settlement. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: That is right. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Troy, you swayed me. You swayed me. Mark this down buddy. Sure.[Unclear Audio] >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Did not whisper will from the crowd when a bullet I will tell you what he said I said that, I knew somebody was going to mention. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I will tell you in the 30 years working for the county who had an individual attorney who will go nameless George you and I have had this discussion before in the jail I can tell you right there when you talk about individuals identifying what the CAP is there is the clientele. She had an attorney that absolutely went after the gusto every single time and got used to the fact that the county was going ahead and settling because it was easy to do and it would be more cost-effective to do so in some cases. However we had an assistant attorney that told the County Attorney I would like to take this individual to court. We are talking about historically over the years but this was happening that this was transpiring. When he finally did and he won the case, attorney Everett sued us again. In favor of what they said Troy take it to court to battle them but there is your clientele. That is why I was Helena Morse that way. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: This is not about the ordinance I'm assuming the governor will send a seven immunity result. It has been attempted numerous years to increase it sometimes more than what they ended up passing this time around I just think we will have. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Troy you brought up a valid point thank you chair. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: This is a common part I used to do insurance defense for one of the biggest insurance carriers of gun plaintiffs work for 30 years and even notice within the big company would have years where we would settle more often than years reflect more often to try to create that reputation or reestablish the reputation of fighting claims as a plaintiff's attorney knew which insurance companies were going to cut you a check which ones were going to take you to the wall and make you fight for everything but I'm afraid of is if we do this increase more than double basically discretionary settlements on staff start we may get that reputation of being a County status pays out too easily I would rather send a message out there to the public if you're going to take us to task you will fight it will be accounting next door might have 125,000 who knows I'd like to maintain that reputation that we will be more inclined to fight a lawsuit that the archers to cut them a check. On the module was obviously when we are clearly at fault and there is clear liability and damages. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: That is what you're talking about just so you know we are not sovereign immunity Cap will go up which means we are more but just so you know it is not from our perspective about giving out bigger settlements we just realize you have more. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: It's the pain and suffering pain management bills and property damages easier. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: You know Kevin Kevin is very frugal. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: He's a good lawyer. Specifically, I moved the table this item time uncertain. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay that surprises me. The motion is to table time uncertain. By David Santiago. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor? Of tabling this motion to time uncertain >> AYE >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Opposed? Okay. Item 7 is tabled. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Item 08 DISTRICT 1 QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING-EX PARTE Proposed vacation of a portion of Map of Seville Map Book 22, Page 145. Council District #1 (Seville area) does anybody have any ex parte has anybody into Seville and there many times. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I make a motion to approve. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any questions portended. All in favor?- >> Aye. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed vacation is approved 7/0 Tadd you did not say one word that time. Item number nine Item 09 Community Services Programs Mini-Budget Workshop Presentation. Do we have a motion to approve? [Laughter] You guys worked hard on this. Right before you start I don't know what was common in the room when Michelle came in your staff worked for staff of your that was a two-year process to get to that thank you it was not because you all were slow it is because there are a lot of regulations. And a lot of limitations. Well done. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: She's very happy where she's at. I did not see her. I told her community services were presenting today and did not say she was not. It was very nice indeed. I am here talk about our budget I think Steve's council has asked for a disciplined smoke at discretionary and general trend use that is what you get from yesterday will get the answers with the data where exactly we spent all day discretionary money in our department a lot of you will probably be some of you may be surprised to learn that is $20 million as of $160 million budget there is about 36 General Fund contribution to my department that is for 60 16 million is for mandatory items. Don't be like Medicaid, some of our ADM health department 20.3 is clear the Council has the authority. Among our department costs about $0.16 per day per citizen we have over 19 funds to fund our department. It is between us further including short taxes dedicated to reflect elaborate federal grants impact fees and earned revenue. We have been in a posture of fiscal restraint for over 10 years in this department. If you look at the 10 year growth rate of the department it's less than 1% and the average inflation is 4.5% over the same 10 years we've been down that as the leader of this department has been in the same posture as I continue to operate this department to develop General Fund contribution from his counselor that you proved leverages $4.49 in services and deliverables for our community. When you get $12 apiece jokingly told George and Susan they should be called the Department of Leverage. That's what we do with our funding; we leverage it with other people's funding. In terms of library systems Scott team and veteran services brings benefits over almost half $1 billion since they've been in business and benefits for veterans they brought to this community that is being circulated in this community. Last year 3/5 divisions were not my department to cut at about $700,000. We are in a small position to prepare this year to recommend cuts if you look at similar departments and coastal communities who don't make a person and benchmarking I will share those counties with you. The national average for the department that provides the services that we do is .8- 1.2 persons per 1000 people we operate at. This is just an example of what you're looking at and the department over the last two years has the General Fund contribution to the client 1.7%. CPI rose 2.9% is a 4.6% gap we've absorbed deficiencies over the last two years I was in the seat over 10 years the General Fund's growth trails inflation as well. I think that this side refers to fiscal restraint you see in my department under George's leadership. I think that's the picture as we are continuing to do less with more. I think that is our motto in this government. Who did it as Carmen physically these were not one of this is planned reductions due to administrative realignment being able to push more of the time ever team onto the grant section. UFFI extension working with us to take cuts. Read the largest cut at 11% who concede there who was making cuts and these were not just one off things please replant cuts to really find efficiencies in our department outsource when it made sense as was done in similar community assistance work I think what you will save this kind of austerity posture this is exactly what you'd expect to see if you have a department that is standard in interest only posture is your operating at or below every benchmark in terms of other counties and for this benchmarking process we used Brevard Seminole County Lee County Manatee County similar population counties coastal and mostly negative benchmarking against as you can see the library despite having more branches we operate more efficiently than provide County in many of these you are looking at our per capita expenditure penumbras is 45 national meeting is 46 and the averages 48-55 of those Parks and Recreation I think these people work in the field every time I go out and meet with them they are doing work is 70% below the national average providing service to our community at 17% thus than what the national meeting is. Community services 32 - 24 per capita national meeting is 55-75 in Florida ranges from 40 -60 when out here counties are looking directly at veteran services this is one or we want to be below average if the cost per contact point. That is what we are looking*I spent one hour with folks. I can see light would be an elevated cost of 27 17 I think last year Scott and his team brought back news benefits that they helped to secure at $16 million to our veterans in this community. I would just say that being mean is not aspirational in our department, it is what we do, it is an assessment that is earned. I think the fiscal discipline story of this department is that you Volusia taxpayers get course services at the lowest per capita cost on comparable Florida counties that is headlined today. I hit the wrong button. We will start going near starting in the resource stewardship division billing portion of the budget and the resource stewardship is General Fund contribution through the University of Florida I physics engine our contribution to extensions as you note the US accident preliminary is part of the land grant institution that was introduced by President Lincoln. I say that starting with President Lincoln because many of the programs that we are implementing at the ground level and Republican some solid conservative programs that were adopted by his conservative Congress reauthorized by a conservative Congress and continues to be refunded by a conservative leaders in our nation and at the state level. The state and federal grants we are leveraging of course some of those folks. Return fire extension is the arm of the energy industry which has over $100 million impact in this industry there helping our farmers grow other horticultural folks. When they find bugs they are now newly introduced Doug from South America how do we get rid of it how do we protect our livelihood essentially. They took an 11% cut last year UF/IFAS increased the calculation despite that. The General Fund contribution to UF/IFAS is eight €64 the love contribution is close to $2 million we have much to point $8 million operation at the fairgrounds which is jointly funded by us and the University system I will say that UF/IFAS has come through for us in terms of some projects I will get to those in just a second plan you can see there are just expensive and not riding is a fixed cost of electricity what are we doing about that fixed cost in the next phase of the fairgrounds improvement is in riding solar panels to the fairgrounds to reduce this fixed cost that will continue to go up for us where we can. Those are the kinds of things that we look at every day to try to become more efficient and the same taxpayer money and everybody else that the taxpayer. They also train a lot of volunteers are our force multipliers division or department to have a master gardener volunteers you probably have seen them in the libraries or any place you've ever been I think most importantly this is where they really delivered for us you have completed the fairgrounds master plan saving us hundreds of thousands of dollars they made coordinated hours saved the loop pilot program thankful too that they continue to secure grant and contracts this is not well known the faculty at our off-campus branch at the University of fairgrounds go through the same promotion process the faculty and campus two. Deb got the right publications to secure the grants and contracts to teach classes. Those are the things that they are doing for our community and a force multiplier in the Master Gardener program represented by the parties that help us to do that. The next day, the library system. Which serves nearly half a little over half the population with library cards if you have not encountered how library staff at community events giving out library cards civilly assigned to Caesar look for the blue shirts and 2 million Items that circulated I think Lucinda told me today she pulled the numbers 140,000 visit to the libraries per month this year 140,000 people are visiting our 14 branches. They are a community resource hub that will give you an example of why that is the case for this gives you a snapshot of our circulation week dooms kind of a secret shopper survey for folks are used for the library afterwards. Randomly selected some. It's a statistically valid survey. 9/10 people who responded to that survey said they would recommend our library system to others. We have hundred 87 FTEs in the department, mostly people on the ground doing the work. To help our citizens this supports a 14 branch system that helps us have a distributed service system. We are all of the time putting people around providing coverage from one library to another. 14 people are cross training so we can do that. The 23 million is a dedicated millage delivery system. Total expense is offset by $612,000 in department revenue I will tell you with your leadership and help last year by increasing the cost of people to have a library card from outside of our county from 50-100 now it is charging a for-profit business for the mediums and seasonal library cards for folks who may be visiting we have significant I would say significant over 10% increase our revenue in those categories we continue to look for things to diversify our revenue. I think the most important thing is keeping track of doing more with less. We tag a 30% reduction in the millage of the last five or six years. You will continue to see us getting more efficient using technology and finding ways to have public partnerships to stretch our taxpayers dollars. As it should be, the largest expense is collection materials. I won't go into it today. I think we have a really grassroots informed collection development system for people. We get thousands of emails per year from residents asking for different things and attract that and look at when we have multiple men who buy those projects for our collection. We also know which branches will circulate that project in others so we move it there so we do not file one for every library. One of the things that Lucinda and I have worked on since I've been in the seat is really hard to we make this community asset even more of a community asset I think that aligning with Florida chambers being on your reading recovery third grade I think for this consult the most important thing to understand is that if you are not on the reading level at third grade you're more likely to seek government assistance during your lifetime with the 7% of the kids third grade reading level in our county has made a concerted effort to increase that Lucinda serves on the morning Early Learning Coalition Board in Councilmember Kent choice please thank you for that she lent her work with them but with dual medical source readiness of people who are looking for jobs can come. A $20,000/year perceived technology training they are really a resource hub that's what we call their community engaged in other counties where elaborate was the library and ask for nothing else. I think we have the exact opposite it's always what can we do to help with the county departments what can we do to extend the reach of the county fair multiservice delivery platforms 11 separate County infinity partners use them I will not read them to you here interestingly you can buy bus passes you can pay your bill for the county at the library system. You can check out someone's machine and pots and pans. Baking pans. I think the library system is a jewel in that many of the patrons believe that as well as the friends of the library system they contribute a lot to our operation feature in terms of all of our summer programs they are the ones paying for things outside of normal operations, speakers entertainment for children. They are good partners to us. Community assistance is the next division. One of the things we understand is 47% of our people are living from paycheck to paycheck. That is just the nature of our economy. These are the people that we are helping and that they are working with 36% of them are working to have a working person in their household we are in a unique situation in Volusia County - if you look at Pentecost the nation we are about 16% of their population are seniors we are about 26% seniors have a much more vulnerable population that needs Chris's assistance we are not abiding long-term assistance here. We are providing Chris's assistance to people who are experiencing a crisis. Their budget is $2.7 million. Next abstracts $2.7 million. How do we break down you can see here in this slide the most important thing is they are infrastructure all succeeding the state and federal grants to manage over $32 million in state and federal grants on average. Getting CDBG home we get these things so we make sure in the agenda Items to the same state and federal grant funds state and federal grant funds. These are entitlements. What that means is we are entitled to these programs based on our taxpayers put into the system. If we don't want them they will just go to another community to not go back into the reserve in DC. When point I want to make very clear if it was not for Carmen and her team who would've never ineligible to receive the DR funding it was because of infrastructure and the track record of having a good track record with HUD we were even considered for the 400 million or $360 million allocation is equivalent to the state as it had done in the past when it goes to the state you know what they have to use 70% of the dollars on prayer housing. Because of health leadership in this area we were able to relocate and that your leadership wanted to spend it on infrastructure and housing. I think that is kudos to Carmen and her team. This is the look we are moving a lot of staff time you have a $2.5 million budget I think 30 something staff 44 FTE 34 right now. This department has some positions federal grant funded when COVID ramped up to 16 employees we distributed that money back down. Those are the things we try to be flexible and responsive relevant responsive inflexible in this division. The children and families advisory board is a discretionary council in the test. This is a priority to us and of course discretionary want to be very transparent about that. I don't want to say it's discretionary funds but it is managed exceptionally well because we have performance-based contracts in place that have been done since this council has been seated. It is a cost reimbursable grant and they are not getting a lump sum. They are getting reimbursed based on desk audits. They are not competitive. In the past they had the same agencies. I think that there was no competition introducing competitions back into the system which I think is good. This is prevention. I will show you just some data and wifely duties the sheriff uses this model and his team at center. It's a prevention-based model. I'm sure David you are familiar with prevention Pace Funding for juvenile justice or other systems. It is allowing us to prevent the intervention at the front end and prevention cost less than a more costly intervention on the other end. These people also weigh that this money is just showing up downstream. You're looking at youth development Boys and Girls Club in combination these individuals should leverage our work dollars for providing a small gap but you're looking at the different categories. You are looking at a significant I think almost $20 million in funds that we are leveraging with these partners. Troy uses hours to leverage $24 million rather I'm sorry it is 24 million imaginative dollars that is committed but duties. One of the metrics I assembled in this council to see this as a percentage of that is private versus government. It is pretty close to I think 40% claim what we are providing to individuals are significant scholarships these are for working families swiftly qualified based on your income. It allows the parent to continue to work over the summer while we provide a scholarship to the camp for seven weeks. Water safety discipline appointment council priority. Why is this important if you look at our $500,000 investment in youth development. With the Boys and Girls Club. Staff serves 1184 youth. Students will hundred $70 to get in the camp for $95,000! Youth to be detained in the criminal justice system prison just 5/1100 kids that we help don't go down the wrong path we have made our investment back. Same for senior services we provide service to 227 seniors this is things like the ramp to get into your house now. There are partners that are hundred $2000 we pay a portion of actually paid a whole portion of their Medicaid contribution to the nursing homes. Out of it that is our burden. In the general fund we have just just to help a hundred seniors. I'm sorry five seniors were three seniors. Just if you were to help three seniors we would make a $247,000 investment if we Them in their home that is the goal of this program. Family support again will not do the math on the rest of guns you can see here what the alternative cost is downstream if you're not helping which she prevents and. There is a reason why we opted for this model instantly search -based model that supported evidence-based practice. Alcohol, drugs and mental health I think that this one is mandated. It is mandated that there is a mandate to provide 25% locally and previous councils they have provided significantly more than the mandated amounts. This is something that we will come back to you as part of budget process will need direction on what you would like on having the full picture in front of you which we will return next month which will have the full picture rather what are we looking at in terms of what the previous councils have provided to these providers because the need is there. I will say we are talking about suicide rates we are very high. Drug addiction. Deaths a year we are in the top five of those categories. We've continued to be in the top five. Based on that previous councils have provided more we understand the reality of property tax reform. The 25% averages $13 million in funding from the state and federal government. Parks and recreation and culture everybody loves Tim Baylie he does a lot of good for our community for a very reasonable price if you're looking at the operations this is what his team managers. 43 facilities and 147 miles of trails. Programming for provide programming to communicate these are some of the programs over 100,000 predicaments each year. You are looking at the unrestricted revenue Tim Baylie $10 million to run the park system again significantly lower than many other Parks and Recreation facilities even in our county. In terms of the cost per capita. They do produce a significant revenue try to make specialty programs cost appropriate as much as possible. Tim has been excellent as developing partnerships has been the keystone of our success in Parks and Recreation and Bob That number down these groups either operate and maintain something for us for one dollar per year. We will provide stem with support as needed in terms of capital if for example Councilmember Reinhart asked us to your first BMX shop to get a design a place where we can be expanded but they continue to operate for one dollar a year that is some of the things we do in the park system to keep our costs low. Tim's team is about 100 folks heavily concentrated in the operation and maintenance side, the largest operating expenses of course is maintenance of the buildings and grounds. Present services is the last division to present deals and $26 million this is the smallest division budgets in the department and took a 7.1% cut this year. Scott and his team are constantly looking for ways one of the things we did this year is implement technology that allowed us to eliminate two positions. Eliminate two positions. This is the service organization chart veteran services we have for locations C or 16,000 books per year the technology we are implementing heavily ahead of the current the reincorporation does the study every five years for the VA delete those two segments of the veteran population that we are serving now is that Vietnam veterans builder generation wants to come into the office and the Desert Storm war on terror folks are still working and went over an online appointment in our system allows us to do that now. And schedule online as well. This is because in areas I'm sure you're familiar would like to talk about our veterans Scott Scott's team does a really good job of engaging the 50,000 residents to call Volusia County home. The largest expense again is technology expense that again was upset by the reduction in force. What other impacts. I misspoke earlier. I said 16 was $21 million in new benefits for veterans in this community. We have a reputation of having a stellar team and sharing the veterans stand down information with you. You will understand people came from the second accident. The highest county populations have visited our veterans stand down from Highlands County that's a pretty far drive. I think over 15 counties were represented. 15 counties came to our veterans stand down. They provide home visits when necessary looking at the $1.26 million investment in the General Fund. The return on that $16.7 when you look at the benefits that they bring back as economic development is what it really is. What are we going to do to make ourselves more efficient? We have sections across all departments that have realized $1.3 million to date in savings and here is just a list of some of the savings and efficiencies that we looked at. I think this is the question that elected officials ask us: how does it look for efficiency? Yes we looked for them to continue to look for them and to capitalize them or find partners who will work with us to help us realize efficiencies. We have some plans for next year as well. I think the department's commitment to delivering core services at the lowest sustainable per capita cost while preserving the federal state and private leverage is documented like this presentation. We are here to take any direction you have on your budget. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay any questions, >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: Thank you sir thank you very much Brad. In one of your first slides it showed an overall decrease in the budget was that of the same service level or did you drop service level to get to your current budget. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: It is actually an 18% increase in service. We did the calculations. It is through technology we are able to increase our service levels. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: Got it you are still attending in that direction. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: Yes we tried to do more with less is our motto. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: You say George's leadership then you roll your eyes. George's leadership is making us cut more off.[Laughter]. I'm just kidding. Do you see the library going to a more intentional format as the years go on? I was going to be able to grab a book and we stopped coming to the library because I cannot get a book anymore. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: Stipulation using a digital subscription were still visiting collaborate it still library software I think they would see that members bear out we are seeing increased populations that is actually the foundation is done research it will shall be used as library system in this economic downturn significantly increases. I think we are 47% of your family living paycheck to paycheck and have a lot of discretionary funds. One of the places they can go is the library. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: "I Think my last question it's more becoming I will wait for you mention that ADM is a mandated amount and we sometimes go above will stick with the mandated amount plans but you said we were spinning the top five and we still the top five. So atonement is the money worth throwing at the problem. Above and beyond the mandated helping. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: We asked our service providers to provide that information as part of a larger discussion. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: If dollars spent is something saved or someone saved them all for it if we are just going money at the problem. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: I would say yes I look at the data they are reporting but the overall number has stabilized and some of these. We do the County health improvement plans every year that are truly the snapshot abuse. We are seeing some stabilization in some areas, some increases really not in the past two years. Drug overdose when the doctor came here he told you we decreased from 100 down to 200 over the last couple of years. Some drastic changes like that. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: Is there any good science from a mental health perspective that COVID will have a long lasting effect on the percentage of people that had to go through that for one reason or the other and are commonly mentally. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: Youth and seniors you see elevated most vulnerable populations is what the research is going out. It is still early when you look at the long-term effects of COVID. The earlier studies will tell you those populations. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: That's all the questions I have I will wait for comments. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Minor all comments I will wait for. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: And equally basic questions he talked about the solid the solar panels at the farms or at the energy center where exactly is that clear. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: When the consultant's designs will come back to eliminate discussions when the consultant came back to us I sent you off they said they sent you a warehouse in the middle of a field as the highlight of your spirit- periods and the site is 99.9% shadeless people cannot be in the sun never come out here. The goal is scotch initial discussions is to do sort of a air conditioners at the building they are filling will move them to the other side you're going to add some pavers some permeable pavers on the side of the building is almost like a lean to that link tunes and provided significant area to provide the solar panels to power. That is the majority of that $60,000 for the I would say that's the majority of the power and expense thereof. Thank you. Going to the [Listing Names] was the busiest library. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: It waffles between Port Orange and Ormond Beach amply clear competing. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Daytona is not up there. It is close. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: They are close. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I was just curious about that. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: Adding to this we are working on a dashboard that is alive is a feature of the software that we will be able to see in real time how many visits are just elaborates how many things were checked out it will be supercool. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I'm glad people cannot get questions oftentimes we have our consistency to say what is your busiest library they will go to the one that is not. I'm just saying. I'm glad you brought that up. If you have that on the dashboard that can prevent that like determining traffic. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: That is part of the new software we have for Veterans Affairs veterans company to walk in and permit will proceed with time in all four offices and can go. I want to go. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: They are-not all your clothes are in your minds it is to do more with less last question I have on slide number nine there was an asterisk next to indigent cremations is that in reference. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: That's the mandated cost. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: That's all I have. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Can you go to page 18 I believe it is. This is the most shocking. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: Which one messages. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: It's the population served with the budget. Showing the percentages of our that one right there. That's a Wow slides when you look at 47% of Volusia households cannot make ends meet this improved conduct analyses of questions that are not gotcha questions I want everybody in this room and the public to understand not only you are going through every staff member is to look at the budget for sure going to have to cut it back anticipating that there is going to be some kind of reduction in property taxes. You've been proactive and you're already backing up. This is wise because the legislature knows people are hurting pretty well. There are other things we can do to bring in jobs that pay more. This is what is causing it. If you come back to pages I want to ask you some questions. If there's anything that we are doing that is redundant we are doing for the school board is doing for state is doing it. We need to get out of it and let the other do it. I don't know if that is true or not. I want to know workforce development on page 16, third grade reading kindergarten. In third grade reading, why does the school board not have a bigger project than we do? >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: We are doing it for the summer that is when most of these programs happen. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Summer school they do with. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: I don't know, I think summer school is remedial. This is a summer program and activity mostly summer program and activity kids that are not in school. Using the system. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Please understand what is not an attack of what the public to understand and I want to understand a lot of times there seems to be redundancy school board do something and we turn around and do it then there is a state program and the one I started with on page 1850% 54% majority of senior residents are financially vulnerable to have any idea if you take those homey veterans are included in that. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: I don't. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Page 22. The title of the slide is 21 children and family advisory board skip.go to page 22. Youth development services for seniors are you doing all of that in-house or as part of it done through nonprofits. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: This is nonprofits tractors stayers contractors for services is what they just happened to be nonprofit this just like any other business we contract for services. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: As you know I've been hard on must not give taxpayers money to nonprofits in this case if a nonprofit providing a service that we would have to create another department or maybe or increase employees to provide services to seniors and families support with retirement and benefits. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: That is correct for 2020 years ago she was about the first President Bush era first time a lot of governments moved to faith-based organization to deliver services. That took it out of the hands of the county prison like we do these things again a prevention model 37 taxpayer money is it is prevention money upfront that is going to save money taxpayer money in the long term. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: The lid is actually a tax-cut proposal estimate that was started with got to cut expenses. You might have to cut expenses 50% it was said and we are going to have to find it taxes somewhere else. But he has a proposal Howdy people- how do you pay for the services that were taken care of with 54% of the population of the seniors unable to live week to week. Before we all thought on that I want everybody to understand what you are looking at and what the staff is looking at. It will have to be cut when I hit property taxes. But I hate not having an ambulance when I call for it worse. In the article drug and mental health use of property taxes and unrestricted revenue Mike is all Russ is there any possibility of the money we're getting from what is the drug fund the opioid to pay for any of that. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: I don't know if it is specifically earmarked for those money that goes to the board for certain programs. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: It cannot replace there is a term for it It is supplanting. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: Supplanting if you're already doing it we cannot go back and put that money towards that. It is sort of like impact fees you have to one who capacity important issues similar theory that way. You are looking at ways some of that money does go to certain things in those areas. It is usually new programs that we are adding learning things we're doing to combat drug issues for instance in an effort to stab Narcan and L is standard in almost all of our safety vehicles. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay. Again I'm hoping the public keeps in mind which of these things they want to cut. On page 27 as part recreation and cultural operation dirt trails Cleveland vigorous Trail program I've always supported it as a legal doctrine. Building trails. Maintaining trails that's one of the things you are looking at. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: Exactly right or delete 10 to the middle. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: You 147 miles more on the way they'll have to be maintained asphalt has to be maintained to be a 15-20 your life who's got trails now that we are ready to the point where we service trails. We will have to maintain that. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Operations I guess this is summer programming at gold Ranger programs red-hot chilis steppers is not the band want to come to the ocean center. All of those. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: We can get them to perform. [Laughter] >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I can hear the argument from John Isabella court government responsibilities we cut 50% of the budget will all of that be cut? Is that something you have to look at? >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: Think everything is on the table when you talk about the amount of dollars being proposed that is staff working use are talking the most egregious I don't want to be. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: I don't want to say the sky is falling it is not we don't know yet in some of those proposals after the most egregious forms you were talking not worry about the programs were top-notch and we have a pulse system at all. Remember some of these proposals that talk about areas that have to be held harmless in those areas are held harmless when they are 60 or 70% of the cost now the numbers you are talking about, not that they will exist in the other areas will exist. That will be a problem. That is why there will have to be alternatives that will have to come around. We'll see how it shakes out. As illustrated through these budgets they do a lot of very important things and pay settlements and they work with us. He said they are preventative so we don't have even more cost in those particular areas. I think this is a very good exercise to go through all of that. And all of the areas are certainly working towards ways that they can save. You mentioned the library community; the schools can do some of the other parts of it. Or remember homeschoolers and modify the people who are using the library. A lot of the community is out there doing alternate things. Again that will be another difficult challenge. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Homeschoolers pay property tax also. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: Absolutely we have that for them. I don't know if they can go to the school library. I'm not familiar with that. I'm just saying who provided that afterschool programs when I moved to the community back in 1989. My family took some very young kids to the library. That's how we actually met people in the community and they started the reading adventure right there in 1989 in our library. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: An essay cutting glutes may have to cut spending 50% that is public. I hope that is the most egregious thing that we are looking at. We don't know they are not telling us and is certainly not telling us what the alternative is except for the one yesterday this is raised sales tax and raise real estate fees we will trade one tax for another but the fact is Brad New York big chunk of your group is helping the people on the first slide I looked at her already holding week to week and you still looking at that how we cut the veterans back anymore? You got to cut services back that are helping people survive. Last question: this is a park and recreation and cultural use of property taxes. You do an excellent job for us, one of the things I enjoy most and have a question that goes to you because you always find an answer. In the operating grants and the eight is that all man General Fund honey that is $5 million $860,000. >> RYAN OSSOWSKI: Non-General Fund@dollars. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: That's money you're bringing in . >> RYAN OSSOWSKI: I have to go back to St. Louis before the reparation programs you mentioned with the exception of the summer all of our programs are self-supporting. Whatever the fee is to participate in that program, offset the expense. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Under percent. >> RYAN OSSOWSKI: Hundred percent but not the summer. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: The CFO is standing behind you. Significant I think we might've had a misunderstanding of the question your tomato $560,000.99 cents this table is completely what is being funded from the General Fund was the Municipal Services District 's is a summary of what is property tax or other unrestricted revenue some small state revenues that we get a 10 Million thousand dollars the total in the bottom corner that is the net calculation all of the stuff that you see appear. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I'm just trying to find out if all of that is General Fund's because $5,860,000 says it is from grants-in-aid's. I was hoping for that money. >> BRADLEY BURBAUGH: The label is property expenditures. >> RYAN OSSOWSKI: In the state chart of accounts those personnel have capital and there's a partial grants-in-aid that combines the small . need number into operating if we have a in the state chart accounts if we have a contract with a nonprofit we have a contract with the state oftentimes those who get coded as grants-in-aid as opposed to operating expenditure. It is just a way to combine stuff together at the vast majority of that is going to categorized as operating expenditures he is whispering asked if I want to mention MSD of the support that this is General Fund and MSD in fact some of the numbers to see you at the operating numbers are actually inflated a little bit because we're adding to funds together when the general fund budget for the growth cost of doing work the MSD fund will budget to reimburse part of it I will have an operating expense in the MST then reimbursement in the General Fund we are back together here to show you the full course picture that internal reimbursement of $1.1 million is right next to that that offsets part of the operating right next to it. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: How can he do $10 million basically General Fund and MST if we get property tax reductions they have defined more cuts in Parks and Recreation enclosure. >> RYAN OSSOWSKI: I will say overall you remember what started this at a workshop the General Fund use of property taxes and unrestricted revenues was approximately $330 million. For all public safety services that are administrative required services I made a mistake with the General Fund and law enforcement when estimating this analysis if we get into a situation with a large homestead reduction that will end up pushing the sheriff back into the general fund budget. Have to talk about these things together at this point so $330 million is between the General Fund and the law enforcement if you had was pieced together the pieces that were not mandated through state protection of law enforcement or be required in the Constitution funding of the court system or the Medicaid contribution or summary things that were required to take that out of the picture you take public safety out of the picture because his council who broadly said public safety is a core service we are not going through that in this workshop series. And there's of course the court is ministry of services that you have to have your barrel function you have to have HR department to set that's upside this is the series of what we are looking at those things that are not core administration public safety or required those Items total roughly $60 million in total impact if we lose homestead property taxes was $110 million you have a $50 billion That would have to come back to public safety core administration or have to be made up by revenue and other places that is not even addressing the fact that $60 million as you've seen in a series of presentations is not fluff it is important public safety programs. Other public welfare programs. The beach, we think you have soon. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: You are making my point of view to allow work and I hope you don't lose any hair overall this.[Laughter]. I'm glad that you're here and if you have a good understanding you do what we are dealing with and what we are looking at. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: 'Okay lets move to the next agenda item. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Jake John. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: I can make my comments in private to the staff. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Thank you chairman Dr Burbaugh little over three years ago when his council proceeded in January one of the things I brought up pleasure making sure people are efficient and effective have to ask you do you know what happened to you tonight? You Roy Hubbard this thing you know who Ray houses not a designated movie to periods as a good movie too. That is Roy Munson , that is Roy Munson the kingpins this new Roy Hobbs this thing from the natural your homework assignment for me tonight is what is natural. The guy was in a slump. Listen, I'm a fan of yours. But things have been kind of rough months for you Roy Hubbard this thing is more efficient and effective and you knocked it out of the park. Do you know who Karl Malone is. Do you know what's best for ultimately four. The Utah Jazz played you know his name. The mailman . the mailman? Because he always delivered. Honestly feel like there would be few new thoughts for me. Doctor Brad mailman Burbaugh you are delivering tonight under budget you talk about Tim Baylie and he mentions a slide earlier it was the benchmark how we compare I felt like a map is not on that he was the second slider something have to call you out on it. He mentions the word like 17% below the national when you look at it keep going. How we compare and Parks and Recreation I was like maybe 17% compared to Dakota to your average but 17% of the total we are like 400-500% savings compared to the national average under Tim Baylie's conditional leadership. At that library piece that you mention somebody asked about the most utilized collaborators which is the Ormond Beach branch is number one utilized elaborate in the system is in the beach you said two things I did not know had no idea you could check out the sewing machine nor did I know you could check out pots and pans for Lucinda after Crestview sent his council five more things we did not know you can check out I will tell you why. Go to community events and have different things to talk to your constituents. I want to be able to tell them that I had no idea that you can check out pots and pans or sewing machines or a unicycle is what you are going to send us in the future. I just don't know. That's it for my comments Brad, your back on man you are on track. Anybody wants to know for the money put on Brad Burbaugh the mailman. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay any other comments. Then we have. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: I second David's motion. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I make a motion to approve. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor? >> AYE. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: And he opposed it is approved 7/0. [Applause]. Item 10 Resolution - County appointment and Joint appointment to the Daytona Beach Racing and Recreational Facilities Authority. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Yes or yes sir thank you the first one with the goal with a joint appointment in the city Daytona Beach Julie A. Rand I'd like to make that nomination. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Vice Chair Reinhart Julie A. Rand (Joint appointment appointed by the City of Daytona Beach). >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any questions. >> KARISSA GREEN,CLERK: You have a Public Participation slip. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Is unusual we have a premonition we have Public Participation we will commit. [Listing Names] >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Daytona Beach is currently on the race in recreation board is not actually it's about me. I've been in constant contact with Mrs. Green's office as to when it was going to be on the agenda for reappointments for consideration for reappointment. I saw the agenda today and my name is not on there. I submitted an application and my term was up actually on July 1. In 2025. It has been that long to get it on the agenda to either consider me for reappointment or appoint someone in my position. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay you did not resign. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: No. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: There. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: There's another guy.[Listing Names] he's a present for her prison term which expires July 1, 2025. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Who nominated you. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: For when. I am not on their plan. >> KARISSA GREEN,CLERK: Previously missed your nomination. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: That we are holding on right now does not I will get to unicycle it does not apply to it is a Daytona beach Volusia County joint appointment if you want to be considered for appointment is there something you must already have a clean hands on him. >> KARISSA GREEN,CLERK: He submitted an application in March 2025 your application is valid for one year and is so unfortunately his ear was up and so his application is no longer valid. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay can you send him an application. >> KARISSA GREEN,CLERK: Yes. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: However this will not come up for two years. It's. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: If you. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: If you appoint somebody else you can hold off on your appointment to the next meeting. I suggest you don't do that to the Daytona one. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay. You listen to an application if you would please fill that out again and can be considered. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Okay. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for coming in and letting us know what happened. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: This does not affect this vote for Julie and. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: I'm running, I'm waiting for the next one. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor? And Julie ran. >> AYE. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Opposed she is approved 7/0 if we move to the next one I think this is the nomination that Jeff is interested in. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: If I may ask how long did you serve on this board I don't want to cause any delays and no does not have an application in place I can tell you that the 15 years very grateful for the service the public would not support a 15 percent and rather have somebody else knew knew and rip the Band-Aid today. Sophia I was going to say the same thing and move to approve somebody. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: If you're ready for that. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Did you want to make a nomination? >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: I want to nominate John Reid. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Jake Johansson nominates John Reid who was the second. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any other nominations? Mr. County Attorney. Is there any reason the chair cannot make a nomination? >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: No. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I know I cannot make a motion. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: Anybody can nominate. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Would also like to nominate Gustavo “Gus" Zambrano and Danny Robins seconds that one also. Okay. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Hung we do this. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: My suggestion: each of you vote unless you have another premonition who knew for Mr. Zambrano or Mr. Reid? >> Whatever money you can do this you can ask your first question. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: You call the question into first person and get a majority vote. We don't have to do the second one. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: I was wondering if you can take George's advice and correspondence for two weeks to get this gentleman released a chance to apply. I think that is probably the only equitable thing to do. I would like to have a look at his resume before we make a decision I think he said he had an application and last year's UVB thought he had all his ducks in a row to get considered for this reappointment just don't know if that is clear to him in light of what he's done for community for the last decade and 1/2. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: And I answer to that. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any make it clear you would like to make a motion indemnity benefits until the next meeting okay. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Don I don't know the gentleman I cannot say his name right now pretty placed in his council has been talking about changing people up on all of the committees just trying to get new ideas filtered through again nothing I'm sure he provided an excellent service to us. Select that same concept if we really still believe that that's not right came along because it Inc. if we believe in the fact that we want to change people up in these committees let's make that statement right now based on that fundamental we feel we should ideal to save recycling it's an adequate approach please get fresh faces and eyes are committees if that standard applies to you I know says to me do it now that's not delays the inevitable friend. And for the potential other applicant I support making changes. That's why I don't want to label for him what might be the inevitable. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: At least vote on it if the majority believes the way you believe he's out of luck. That's all I just think maybe we should require a vote to see if we want to at least give consideration of two weeks. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: I agree with you Don if nobody seconds your motion think there is a vote not another person wanted to do that I just want you to know that I am thank God it's important to you it's important to me I just want to say I don't get a second and if there was a vote everybody said they agreed with David we talked about getting fresh blood in our portfolio term limit all of us we are not appear indefinitely. Here there is a term limit I did 19 years there that's not happening here. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I will go ahead and attract my second floor Mr. Zambrano was under the impression that there were two examinations that is on me with that said I keep my second floor Mr. Johansson County manager Tim still have stress be on the sport or tinnitus without out a nomination. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: He cannot be a member of the board; we can certainly assign Mr. Zambrano on the staff to attend their meetings. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: But Mr. Zambrano can’t vote. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: He can be present there to observe, watch and report back. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Done I will get back to you made a motion that this be tabled until the next meeting and was not a second I did not ask for one with anybody second that motion. Okay all right. Then we are back to you and remove your second-floor costs. We have a motion for Zambrano with no second. Still no second. Okay. Then we have one nomination: John Reid nominated by Vice Chair Reinhart. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I second the motion. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: I thought this was nominated for Jake Johansson. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: I'm sorry you did the first one hundred Daytona beach all in favor? John Reed. >> AYE. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Opposed, it's a long way to get John Reed nominated. Item 11 District 5 appointment to the Volusia Forever Advisory Board. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: >> KARISSA GREEN,CLERK: The only applicant is Dana McCool (District 5)(West-side). >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: I make a motion to approve. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I second the motion with any questions or comments. You and Dan are still on the board . All in favor of Dana McCool >> AYE. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Set in here all day for that. All night actually. [Applause]. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: What are these four. >> KARISSA GREEN,CLERK: They are for public comment in the end. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay 12 Appointment of an elected official of the most populous municipality of the county to the Tourist Development Council (TDC). Would anybody care to make a nomination? >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I will nominate Emma Santiago >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: The attorneys are telling me I have to refrain from voting event of a conflict with this lady more than just this accomplishment. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: What is your conflict? >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: She's married to me. It is a conflict. It is my wife. I will be abstaining from the vote. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay this is the tourist development Council nomination did you just make a nomination. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: Is there a second? >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor? >> AYE. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Opposed Emma is approved 7/0 6/0 everybody in the chamber is interested in who you would have voted on. [Laughter]. Okay. That completes the task force today and we will move to Public Participation and Amy You have been sitting here all day Amy.[Listing Names] if you would like to go first. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: [Listing Names] Deleon Springs I'm always here in front of the wall advocating for Deleon Springs as my heart. That's the place of excitement and advocating for them is usually unfair to have to get back to work. However I do usually listen to the County Council meanings all the way to the end. It may take a couple of days to get to the end of them and could pick up something at the end of your last County Council meeting that I feel needs to be addressed. It was a comment made by the chairman sort of telling Jake Johansson Danny Robins David Santiago Matt Rienhart reps who do not quite do your homework when it came to an amendment to our Constitution over something that is not effective 93% of the population and also something that is not even been used in who she County a technology does not even been used for deer's servant was like if you guys want to come back and rethink it you have the opportunity to do that. I thought that was really disrespectful to all because the four of you have done your homework and did your homework. You do not get on to social media training our hysteria about the letter in the black water and all of the nonsense is out there. In social media instead you did your homework. He refused to get involved in that prison like you did because of your leaders. I just want to say how much I appreciate you as leaders doing that. Because there's a lot of hysteria, help us out if you really want to think about this issue and you want to talk about water think about all of us who are wells and septic systems in well and septic systems. People appear safe. I don't trust science. I don't trust the government for those of us for wells and septic systems. If you have a well you trust the state of Florida to give you a permit so that it is the Florida Department of Health. We trusted the science about how a ball should be put in Alice in particular has 100 foot casing that is pretty deep we still are not nasty water filled with iron and sulfur have to treat it then clear the septic system it is far away according to the state regulations and according to the science is far away that septic system from our well and theoretically altered water and the black water on the nasty stuff goes into a tank it is held in a tank then go water goes on into the drain field and theoretically that percolates down to our aquifer is cleaned up and the time it gets there theoretically speaking. The threat is an especially neutral likelihood we have right now. It's very easy for that water to move in the aquifer and for me at my house and my family to be pulled up Hopefully clean water into our wells. That is what is really happening for those of us who are on wells and septic systems and how many of us get our water treated some of us do some of us get our water tested very few of us do we trust the science I trust my system very expensive system we ought to think about that. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you for your comments. Thank you for your comments once again, John Nicholson. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: [Listing Names] with regard to the head my doctor and my eye doctor had on hand when I come back guess where I go I hang a left right into the church store. When I did that I could see a block and half density traffic light. There was no problem with the ability to make a left-hand turn there. Never there is a turn at the nova and there is five cars coming because they sit at the light that's the only times you have to wait to get through otherwise it's an easy turn if they put that back in Italy would not be a hazard but there are number of cars that do use that entrance especially during services on Sunday and Saturday nights. Secondly, I have to agree with Don. There are things he says he caught me after the last meeting we talked for a while. I ask you to have your meetings to listen because you all know what lawyers are like and how they twist words now they can look at a word NSC things we don't see. I'm asking you to listen to him because he may have seen something that I never thought of. I know that there are parks in Miami. We had this huge airport between airports and they turned it over to the city. They turned it into a park and a loud FIU to put buildings there. The second building and the third and 1/5 building and the stadium and out he got a postage stamp 3 million residents gives the user pushes them 50,000 kids with use of 5000 acre campus. I've seen another park playing a football stadium for soccer. You've heard about that one. We do that, we take our parks and we like Daytona Beach do with our parks on the beach and destroy them please listen to him and pay attention this can happen. We had this problem with cultural arts. It came across as anti-gay political coming for the next five meeting Saint it was anti-gay. It really was not as anti- woke and explained the idea. I saw the picture in the paper about the drag queen teaching the kindergarten kids to read. That was a terrible terrible image. The idea of having condoms taught in first and second grade that is terrible it really is was not anti-gay was anti- woke through something that popped up this last week it's in the paper request to clarify that because I really don't think he's anti-gay maybe I don't know it's something that has to be clarified you cannot keep coming up. The cultural arts kept coming up and coming up it is going to haunt him if it haunts him it's going to hunt guys as well thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Thank you. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Good evening council. ballot language is typically limited to 60-75 words. Councilman Dempsey does not justify providing incomplete or potentially misleading explanations. Stating the specific partnerships language is not included in about language can create confusion for the public attribute governing document which is the resolution for Volusia Forever which spans 23 pages and can be found on line partnership provisions are clearly outlined on pages three and four under section 4 B these details are part of the framework orders deserves to understand public trust depends on transparency it is not appropriate cleaned minimize or admit arrangement information when communicating with constituents from the dais especially on matters that directly impact public decision-making and ischemic defense attorney to understand how framing and selected emphasis can shape perception may be a little more awareness than most 7/20 years in law enforcement. Let us monitor your statements from the dais and in the election figures have raised concerns about whether the Volusia Forever program is being characterized consistently with its actual provisions. It is difficult to reconcile claims of support like messaging that appears to undermine the program pretty thank you. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: [Listing Names]. >> PUBLIC COMMENT: Chris edged Deleon Springs I want to say thank you to everybody Mr. Recktenwald Mr. Dyer I attended the Citizens Academy I got a lot I appreciate everything you guys do I know if you hear a lot for me to get a lot of grief not just for me but from a lot of people. I don't think a lot of people realize the hours and the time that you guys put into all of this. I appreciate it. I did not plan on speaking today. I just got motivated. There was a lady that accused me of badgering this past week. You cannot hit me hard. I'd do it out of the park for the County for Deleon Springs. I'm a veteran from Virginia Beach Lockheed Martin with me in County in 2019 or two places I said I would never go Florida or California you can figure out why. Here I am in Florida I fell in love with it I fell in love with Deleon Springs I have a passion for the area never thought I'd be a history dork but I'm a street dork now I fell in love with the neighborhood and the community and the people I work on the space Coast and drive to Brevard County as a condo there and live there during the weekend and come back here on the weekends I don't have to do that I can afford to live in a better place to come back here I want to make this place my permanent home emissary I'm trying not to get emotional I never thought I would feel this way about a town or county never ever in a million years military I just become a new goal income and you go and forget it. When you hear from me when I'm harassing you fun badgering you it is only at a rate for the area ecstasy things slip into the left and you know my history with the sheriff it is not out of hate is not it is just want better for the committee want better for Volusia County want better for my family I want to be able to retire and be at peace thank you guys you are appreciate his pleasure if you know it or not especially by me had a good night. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Act includes public comments will move to the County manager's comments. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: I do have an item I want to let the Council know we are involved in working on right now. It is a deadline that will occur before our next meeting. It is something I can handle with the diversity managers the federal government has preauthorized the opportunity zone program. Now states are in a position to manage social census tractor designation. Federal maps have been published we have a social track serial Volusia County is horrified consideration why is that important the court benefit for an opportunity zone designation is a federal capital gains tax incentive for private investors through improved real property with enthusiasm you track to hold the asset for a defined period of skillful exemption County for 10 years or more. This program is specifically designed to attract private real estate investment into economically challenged communities leveraging federal tax policy to do direct public spending . intended to submit a letter again we coordinated this with the city. These are all occurring in the cities we are really trying to help them they are the first one in this then we are the support plate Swinton submit a letter to the governor on May 1 deadline in support of the nomination request being made by the cities I just will point out one area in particular that does have a direct benefit with us is the area the new qualifying trashed and not B side on Daytona Beach includes the ocean center private investment in that corridor carries a direct effect on the counties convention center and at the arena. Just a more vibrant area around the neighborhood to help strengthen us and more investment in that area. I intend to work with the cities and the city managers and provided that this letter of support if his council has any questions or any concerns I just hope to bring it up now so you knew what I was up to. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Okay any concerns from the councils believed to need a motion in the second to just send the letter without objection. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: I think the proper way is for me. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All right good. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: That's all I have. >> MICHAEL G. DYER,COUNTY ATTORNEY: Thank you. Have a good night. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: County Council today Councilman Santiago is first. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: Thank you Mr. Chairman just one Item at trial blue T-shirt folks thank you for staying until the end I just wanted to address your concerns and your comments I will acknowledge in sitting here reflecting back on two weeks ago I can see where you would come across without interpretation. That is not the intent I started to reflect back a little bit more. I don't want to rehash that little bit of a tense moment in the Council. Some of the monotony was here. It was right to the end there was a little tension. Let's say that it would save G flying J truck Park. It was not a reference to you all opposing the truck parking facility. I was making a statement more in the lines of making sure that when we get proposals before us that require us to be judge and jury that we apply the rules early to everyone regardless of whether you're putting a shed or reporting 100 homes that will treat everybody fairly then I used the reference that often times people do come here and advocate against a home project that is building up next to them with their home project may just been there for a euro to yet they want to close the door and I'm not criticizing that position may have. It is personal to them. I was trying to describe that our hero here is the judge and jury should treat everybody fairly popular with patent biases based on the individual spreads specifics of that. I think some descriptions are given today. I think gentlemen did a great job. I forgot your name. In describing it, is it compatible with the six lots in the community? So things have to be taken into consideration. If it came across that way Is not my intent I apologize it was more for equal rights to everyone he to have a statement whether you here yesterday or you come tomorrow a lot of people love Florida that's one of our biggest problems means growth as it is a big problem for us I get the concerns of what many people say it's overdeveloped the legislature is battling that also prints I think some years later legislature has taken a lot of our decision rights away. It's the toughest part of this job right now. I've served for several years. If that helps you better pray thank you for staying again. Thank you Mr. Chair. >> DON DEMPSEY,DISTRICT 1: >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: For the Kleeck class invokes I've heard everything you have said I hope you realize at least from this and me that others in a conversation I had with some folks from public to years ago I have not had any conversation with anybody else including the developer and what's going to happen there. I am still with David here on the wait and see. There will be a time for us but kind of talking about social media is what's going on out there. And it's been in developers pockets and things like that. I don't know who the developer is. Rest assured at least from my perspective and probably the other six members, we are waiting. You've done a lot of education on your side and what you think and probably are pretty spot on what the problems are. But I have not heard from the other side yet. I don't even know whether they are going to get through the PLDRC having said that somebody can, regardless of what happens it is probably going to come to us either she will challenge it will come to us Co-Chair will challenge it if it does not get approved and it's going to come to us. If you look back at the past three years of the kind of decisions that we make in development. If the things you say are happening are true, things seem like for my perspective they are looking good for you. I think that area has been trying to be developed before unsuccessfully. We will see how that goes. I'm willing to take a look at the 400 page document and ask important questions if it ever comes to us. Second of flying J truck Plaza somebody said something I want to just get on the record and make clear. Somebody said residential next to industrial does not make sense. It might not. There is a state law saying you can build residential and industrial FLU. It may not make sense to you but it is currently the law. It's called the Live Local Act. It allows people to build in industrial areas. Note that is out there and tell the kid until he gets changed and will be residential in the vicinity of if not by next to industrial we already have it here. Last but not least, if we want to discuss it tonight I don't know if we actually viewed the motion or make an effort to talk about term limits for all of our boards. I know we have done it for one just kinda chatted about it a little bit or the bracing and recreation. Everybody is kind of going down that route a little bit. I'd like to entertain taking a look at the floorboards and discussing term limits for each one of them. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: If you make a motion to put that in the future agenda. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: Five make a motion to protect the future agenda. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: All in favor? >> AYE. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed. >> JAKE JOHANSSON,AT-LARGE: That's all I have. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Karissa, did you get all of that. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: I like to brief Items this evening I give you credit I feel you listen to this board matriculated direction and help to stay efficient and effective has been noticing lately and tonight was a great example we give them opportunities to the public to speak, to hear from the public but sometimes we have an Item that is ongoing while the Item is ongoing clients start coming in. I thought maybe his council would want to have a discussion and no in Ormond Beach I'm not trying to tell you I know in Ormond Beach and agenda Item started and that the city clerk or the County clerks in this case the cards over if you were not in the room and did not collect the corn you not talking on that item. I don't know if we want to do that or not. I will make a motion to put that topic as a discussion item with his council in the next upcoming meetings George at your leisure pharmacy light agenda and also with this one to labor if we have a big agenda. In the next 123 even for meetings. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Is there a second on that motion. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: I second the motion. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any questions comments. Simple request to limit when a request can come in once an Item is started. All in favor? >> AYE >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Any opposed. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: My second last item if you gentlemen have never been over to a county owned and run boat ramp called shell harbor which is often Lake George you need to go. I had no idea that the county owned this ramp until right before I got elected. Don't lose any of us can take credit for it if anybody can generally be Chairman Brower Councilman Robins I don't know if you voted on that that was before you they could've been before you. Just before you all got elected. It is beautiful, it is phenomenal. It is called Florida. There are huge oak trees all around it and the parking lot is impeccable. They have two restrooms for men and women to have a floating boat dock have a huge ramp at your boat in your kayak and does a couple of spittle resident baby alligators that hang out around that ramp you then get to shoot across Lake George Jeter go fishing get your watch and go over to Silver Glen 35 million gallons of beautiful pristine spring water come out of a single day and have a great day at Silver Glen he is my duty here is my issue is County spent I don't know I don't know if it was $100 I don't know if it was to Lewandowski I don't know if it's $1 million I don't know to have this beautiful boat clamp when we get in the water and tried to go across Lake George it is 6 inches deep you've got to get out of your boat and push it 50 feet do you know he likes to get out of their boat and push it in alligator infested waters you know who no one. No one likes that. We cannot have a multi-million-dollar facility since the residents of Volusia County paid for you cannot have that and give them that type of service. It is sort of like you read the reverse osmosis water plate and your water pipes or even the result is galvanized steel you have this water rippling through these rusty pipes it is like me? Châteaubriand as you bring it to the table carpet on the floor and drag it. Don't do that, don't be that guy. George this is a request to say whatever we have to do to drdge 50 feet of that area don't tell what permission you have to get that sketchy permission because you're picking up what I'm laying down thank you all have a good night. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Put the weather in her Lake George. It might be easier. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: Continued to look at dredging the use of and is influenced by the river level I think the original dock back in the day it goes way back was started off as an airport place because airboat usage leaving around say Lake Monroe where there was a lot of houses and stuff it was frowned upon this is in a very unpopulated area. I think there was also that point. The point is well taken. I talked to Tim. We will look at putting some channel markers and stuff so people can use it. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: George Recktenwald listen I haven't been to a dozen boat ramps around Lake George this is by far not even close the best I don't care if your private half-moon I don't care if your public over on the St. John's this one when I got there it's like jaw-dropping beautiful you are involved with that you on that it is the best of the best that I've ever seen on Lake George and Volusia County Onset you've got to get people the access. >> MATT REINHART,VICE CHAIR: Just a couple of things. Normally I'm not going to talk about what we did and how we got there. It is important for liberty to note the date of Tuesday's NCA NDA event just a couple of weeks ago. Right after our last meeting shout out to the CBD did a phenomenal job this next center crew as far as assisting with that and the legwork that her and her staff put forth as follows us to get them to come back I can show you pictures gentlemen the thousands and thousands of kids all those kids have families and probably the best behaved group I've ever seen. The money that was brought in in addition to hotels booked up all the way down the strip. Nothing but praises how beautiful things were done and how things went. The plaintiff was asked the questions so Lori, one of the first people visiting here said his daughter is always this beautiful of course we said every day for his 365 days a year is for scorches. Kudos to them. We thank him for that also another great event I would love to see more people participate in and not confuse the H H1 Expo that we do Frank Bruno her former chairman heads that often does a great job phenomenal job I went to it not as great vendors. They moved it to the speedway underneath the awning. I know it was at the ocean center I give praise to the ocean center for the weight was done it was beautiful the weather was perfect again all 365 days the weather is like that. Great job from Franks and the rest of our county staff to put that together. The last event is a little more serious I did it's the race to stop suicide event. Bring attention to her 988 Florida lifeline for assistance sour suicide rate I tried to look it up as far as Volusia County I can tell you Volusia County average for suicide is above the state average. I made a comment before but the mystic violence I know I'm risking apples and oranges. We are number four in the state of Florida for domestic violence is another number is that we want to be particularly the line taking measurements to fix that somehow in some way. The race to stop suicide event was done in order to bring awareness to suicide and everybody probably here and snowing has dealt with someone in their life that has unfortunately made a lasting position for a temporary problem. There are 49,000 people just in 2023 that died as a result of suicide. Patient is one that means one in every 11 minutes. When every 11 minutes essay those numbers to bring emphasis to it. Started itself in the past 20 years at a 6.9% increase just in the state of Florida. Far numbers are higher during Volusia County that is something we need to address just wants to make sure everybody is aware of 688 if you need help getting you have a mental health issue Isaac seen it in my 30+ years in corrections we are doing a great job with relation to suicide prevention of their because often times those inmates think the doors are closed in more ways than one they think their life is closed. Kudos to the division of corrections that is probably some of the highest rating comes out of that. That's all I want to say. I don't want to end up on a bad note. Enjoy your weekend. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Great. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Thank you chairman a couple quick follow-ups George and the staff leader Terri Corbett's complaint and better seasonal she's under timeline May 1 whatever we can do to maybe make contact with her if we have not already am sure we have but the permit process is grueling. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: We've been working with her all along. I think Ken and his team already got rid of one roadblock as far as contractors and stuff getting on. We will continue to work with her but we are up against laws that are in place. There may be a way for her to continue working. We will look at that. Again, it's not like we haven't been working with her. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT: She mentioned if we can check that 72-1053 flexibility requiring 115% of the performance bond there was some I cannot copy down fast enough that the waivers that are possible you guys kind of get it. >> STAFF: Do want the Council to hear this this afternoon there was an exception the Council put in place for some of those requirements that were timed after hurricanes the two hurricanes that hit. Those exemptions for the performance bond and this sand replacement expired in August of last summer. It is been that long and we've had probably a dozen permits that have gone in since then who now comply with code as they existed before the hurricane therein lies our problem the staff does take upon herself to waive the fees that's what the Council adopted the resolution or its equity issue now to try to address Ms. Corbett's issue we work with her and her contractor to keep those numbers as low as we possibly can. And to give her the benefit of the doubt and every reasonable way we can make those costs as minimal as possible we will continue that effort. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3 That being said, is there a way to extend affect resolution if she was indeed affected by the storm or maybe she's entitled to know what you said is the expired rate? If it was affected by the storm and they are still working on it two three years later it does not exempt the fact that it happened with the natural disaster if there's a way we can do that to help these folks. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: We have an ordinance that requires this a charges environmental director with the opportunity to waive it as was mentioned you had waived it as a cancel because of the storms that is expired of somebodies and happy with the decision of what the environmental manager director they can appeal that to the PLDRC I just learned about this today. Suzanne is right that people have been working on it. Your steps is enforcing an ordinance that is in place now. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: I get it just knows this prompted district representative I'm not too sure about the rest of the Council if it is with the storm I met benefit of the doubt kind of guys this stuff takes time a lot of time and a lot of money wherever we can help them out and know you guys are doing that. Thank you. >> DAVID SANTIAGO,DISTRICT 5: She can appeal then it goes through the process and it gets to us and we decide. >> TROY KENT,DISTRICT 4: >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: Troy you are right about the shell harbor it's a great ramp I'd even open I believe George there was a restaurant up there at one point years ago wasn't there. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: I'm not sure yes in the general area that was actually part of an old development that did not fully hold out. We ended up getting it I think from that developer I will say also we have dredged it when it was opened it needs another minutes matching. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: With it being at the map of the lake with the surgeons and everything you're right definitely impacts it. Too Troy! I think it is one of the most under or not known about or underused or underdeveloped parks that we have. I'd be open to entertain some food trucks on the weekend for folks or camping or RV hookups you cannot beat the view you cannot beat the environment Mr. Kent is right. >> GEORGE RECKTENWALD,COUNTY MANAGER: The engineering firm DM C has already been tasked to go up and make some measurements it is already starting to process. >> DANNY ROBINS,DISTRICT 3: That's an awesome location. Lastly Council there is something cooking with FWC again and not in years past we went head-on with them and we one when it came to the economic impacts of these spring protection zones. There is one down in my district now where the mercantile and national wildlife refuge mainly but FWC may have involvement in it if they use any of their data received several calls from.[Listing Names] some of the commercial fishermen that have been fishing thunder generationally 100 years they are looking at some possible new regulations that would impact the commercial fishery it would kill my restaurants the seafood restaurants we have left it would kill fish camps any other place boat places dealerships boat maintenance I will keep you by suppressed I will keep the staff abreast of that may be something that since the wildlife refuge is in my district might be something we have to get involved in to keep them from killing our economy. That is it. I appreciate it. >> JEFFREY S. BROWER,CHAIR: Just a couple of things go quick first I want to say I intended the funeral of Roy Johnson Matt and I were both going to goal that actually asked for a proclamation to honor his life and he had a conflict doesn't matter proclamations. I went in there and it should be proclamation in his place I just want to say Roy Johnson was really will respected and honored at that funeral it was so good to see other public servants there he was the epitome he was example was somebody that we can all look up to what a true public servant looks like. I know from the day I got elected he came and offered encouragement to me and that is funeral I realized he did that for a whole lot of book servants. He was just an exceptional man with an exceptional family I'm sure that they were pleased to hear how he was honored at his funeral. Roy Johnson the mayor of Holly Hill and then when he passed away he was served as a city commissioner because he loved the city so much. I was really glad to attend it. Somebody I think that you didn't mention core values I just want to clear up something I think I will give you the copy that I had John I think you said that the entire Council approved of them did not want to put that on them I don't know that I know I sent it to the staff and they included in the workshop we did not work on it or discuss it much I don't want to hang that on them. They might have it as just a list. I sat down and said what I think are the core values they might add that some were taken away. But we are all focused on core values. I will give you this list. There are 38 of them in four different categories and some probably missed some. There is a lot of things that we do here that the public would miss if we were not doing them anymore. Lastly Amy to your comment, you said you remark about a constitutional amendment it was a charter amendment for the County thank you. For correcting me. For toilet to tap those of you include shirts that don't know what it is is the practice of injecting cleanup sewage water into our drinking water because we don't know what to do with the amount of sewage we have anymore or just placing it into the aquifer I don't want to drink it however regenerative farm which is an organic farm I also live in Deleon Springs the dutiful daughter I'm sorry you're such crappy water but we have really clean good order where I live an hour well I don't want any city injecting their cleaned up sewage into our aquifer it's all of our water salt water when she put it in the aquifer it's in everybody's well yes and two other members here did vote to allow the citizens of Volusia County to vote on whether or not they think that's a reasonable practice. Do we think we can clean it up good enough to add it to our drinking water or put it in our wells? My vote is no which is why I've worked for two years with the company called.[Listing Names] will instead of forcing homeowners in Deleon Springs to pay and spend $40,000 $60,000 to get a new septic system that permits 40% of the nitrogen it has a much less expensive insert that goes into your existing tank that cleans up your tank cleans up your drain field at a fraction of the price of forcing you many people in Deleon Springs would lose their homes if they were forced to completely redo a septic tank drain field so they are currently it took me two years working with them going to Tallahassee to even get a permit to test it finally got a permit Stetson diversity with Doctor Anderson and Doctor been there doing an independent test on that system. By cleaning existing septic systems we can clean up the state of Florida for a fraction of the money instead of spending trillions of dollars to replace every septic tank. I'm sorry that you took the fact that I reminded the Council of what we can do as disrespect is my job as the chairman prayed to give information that is not something that is usually done with somebody hung something up for our revote Mr. Kent has done it for gunboats he is taken and came out on top and then wanted it back up to have a revote it is so rare that is why I brought it up no disrespect intended to anybody but as a picture it is my job to bring up information of things that we can do three of us voted for four of us did not want the vote he was still take a super majority vote would take five of us I reminded them of that I probably will do it again because it is really important to me that the project would drink in the quality of it don't want to drink cleaned up sewage water that is voted out and everybody has asked me several people asked me about this tide is my celebration tie to date is my wife's birthday I've spent all day here I don't regret that I ran for this I enjoy being here she work with my daughter all day moving colors around and feeding because she loves that as well hurt my daughter are out eating steak dinners right now and I'm going to leave at 8 o'clock I missed dinner and go home and I will see you this weekend we it just so happens that both going to the same conference or concert on the beach to enjoy I'm taking Terri there and maybe we will run into you and your husband their play this meeting is adjourned at 7:59 PM.